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    Posted: 05 Jul 13 at 11:45am
Originally posted by fab100


Originally posted by iGRF

So what you're saying, I'm probably right (as usual) but it might be for tactical or strategic reasons?

Always being a stickler for a well set jib as I am...



I've just twigged what that hull reminds me of - a hovercraft 

A thames barge.

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Originally posted by Fearful

Originally posted by fab100


Originally posted by iGRF

So what you're saying, I'm probably right (as usual) but it might be for tactical or strategic reasons?

Always being a stickler for a well set jib as I am...



I've just twigged what that hull reminds me of - a hovercraft 

A thames barge.


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Am I alone in liking it?! A valid attempt at a fast, wide, stable hull without the problems brought about by sailing a multihull. Certainly needed a 2nd version, but it gets round one of the major problems of lightweight hulls (or at least it should have been light) which is lack of static stability.

Mind, I'm not 100% certain why a Sprint/Dart 15 wasn't an easier solution!
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No, you're not alone Rupert. I would love to have seen it in a decent blow with the rig tweaked properly.
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Top sides of a trident class submarine?

I liked it too to be honest. I wish it had worked and at least grf have it a go
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but, (trying to keep this on topic), would a refined version of this boat make sailing more popular?

- faster
- more stable
- easier to sail

than a Laser/Solo etc.  I don't think so.  I'd also say that adding all the extra string and sails even makes it easier to sail particularly.  

If I'm being honest, the only innovative boats I've seen recently which I think could be marketed to appeal to newbies & returners are the iCon, Punk and possibly the Shaw 4.0 down under.  The L2K could be on that list if it did the future proofing thing of knocking the weight right down.... which it won't as the people who cotnrol the decision are the existing owners with their vested interests in maintaining the value of their toys.

The other boat I really wish was more popular is the Megabyte... nice and simple for a big lads boat, a cost effective 'Finn' type boat, aimed squarely at big Laser sailors without stays and tuning etc.  That would appeal far more now than it did a couple of years ago and could be the perfect inland boat for 90kg + guys who want simple sailing.


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It might be that particular dinghies will encourage people to return to the sport, but I don't think newcomers will see a particular design and go "I've never wanted to sail, but now I've seen THAT boat, I think I'll have a go". More likely they will have seen Ben on the telly or in the paper or whatever, and think "Maybe I'll give sailing a go". A Pico looks pretty much like a Finn to a non sailor, I expect.
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yep my wife thinks they all look the same too...even the lilac one looks the same as that damned out of class cherub, apart from the lilac of course.
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Well as a total co incidence I've just put the phone down on a chap who reckons he might be able to get me the funding to progress to the next stage and maybe to even tap into Brighton University and their test tanks, wouldn't that have been better had I had access to that before committing to that heavy hunk of plastic.

To me I'm disappointed it was so heavy to lift around and obviously not that encouraged to fix it, since I'm now back enjoying crewed competition which always was the thing that most enamoured me to sitting down sailing, I don't mind being billy no mate but I've spent my life doing that windsurfing.

I told you elsewhere how I met the guy who owned and sent back that sail because it was a total dog and didn't work for him on his vortex, so given that and all things it didn't go too bad, we certainly had it hustling along that time in Calshot, but to be honest our water is never exactly conducive to planing upwind and even off wind you do need a fair amount of power to overcome the uphill bits.

That boat was never designed with the idea of newcomers or widening the appeal of sailing, quite the contrary, if you recall it was a design exercise in enabling someone of er 'challenged' weight and height to get round a course in a force five in a performance craft, that much I did achieve, sadly our beach is no friend to the likes of even it and she remains holed to this day and frankly to heavy to bother with any further.

The next step would be to apply some of the same ideas to something lighter and maybe less grandiose on the performance scale, we'll see, I'm not finished just yet.
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

The L2K could be on that list if it did the future proofing thing of knocking the weight right down

But is that really appropriate for an entry level/general purpose boat? Few people are more pro light weight than I am, and I have no problems with owning a boat that's going to dent like crazy if you handle it carelessly. But a boat for the entry level/general purpose family role needs to be able to put up with a good deal of casual handling. I've been very influenced by watching a couple (in both senses) of my ex trainees get into a major row about the first scratch on a new boat. I don't want to see people having disagreements like that... Boats like that also need to be relatively cheap.

So you've got to hit a delicate compromise between weight, durability and cost: the usual pick any two because you can't have all three... You could hit durability and weight with a Kevlar/medium density foam/carbon sandwich RS2000 or whatever its going to be called, but the cost would be horrendous.

I think we need another jump in materials for the entry level/family boats in order to permit lighter craft, but I don't know where its going to come from. Maybe some sort of multilayer sandwich rotomoulding process, but don't ask me how it could be done...
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