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    Posted: 26 Feb 10 at 10:21pm
Yeah, Rick´s right. Plus why not use the two rigs at the discretion of the
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rig for light sailing and/or heavier crew weights and one for lighter crew
weights and/or heavy weather. The 18 footers do this with two different rigs.

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I can't really understand why this is being discussed?  Surely it should be owner preference with one rig change aloud in a year?!  Its worked for the 300 for years.  Having a PY within a class is just plane wrong, surely the whole point in having two rigs is so light and heavy guys compete against each other on a more even footing! Everyone should be on the same start line, sailing the same race!  Why would anyone want to split the fleet?

 

As for two rigs like the 18ftr.  That will never work, people wouldn't want to have to keep replacing two sails, the difference between the two sails isn't really enough to make that much difference and finally surely out and out sailing is much better then winning by rig choice?

 

I suspect in the long run everyone will be using the same rig, like with the 300's.

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Originally posted by Merlinboy

I can't really understand why this is being discussed?  Surely it should be owner preference with one rig change aloud in a year?!  Its worked for the 300 for years.  Having a PY within a class is just plane wrong, surely the whole point in having two rigs is so light and heavy guys compete against each other on a more even footing! Everyone should be on the same start line, sailing the same race!  Why would anyone want to split the fleet?

 

As for two rigs like the 18ftr.  That will never work, people wouldn't want to have to keep replacing two sails, the difference between the two sails isn't really enough to make that much difference and finally surely out and out sailing is much better then winning by rig choice?

 

I suspect in the long run everyone will be using the same rig, like with the 300's.

The reason for a different PY is that RS are saying that 2 different rigs do perfrom differently so for alot of us that will be handicap racing more often that one design racing surely it makes sense to have the most fair handicap for the given rig.

Yes I agree when everyones together its not important but for handicap racing I think if there is a difference then it should be reflected in PY.

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People keep referencing the 300 as an example of where one PY fits but in my experience it doesn't for handicap racing as any of the smaller rigs I have seen racing are never as competitive over a race series versus the bigger rig. That may be one reason for why there are so few small rigs used?

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I agree with Keith (haroosh) it will be important to get the right PYs for each rig when we are sailing in handicap fleets at our own clubs (obviously I am assuming size does make a difference --oo er misus!)

there is no need to actually apply the PYs at a class event, but the results from the class events might be useful afterwards for working out the PYs

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Originally posted by haroosh

The reason for a different PY is that RS are saying that 2 different rigs do perfrom differently so for alot of us that will be handicap racing more often that one design racing surely it makes sense to have the most fair handicap for the given rig.

Yes I agree when everyones together its not important but for handicap racing I think if there is a difference then it should be reflected in PY.

Cheers,

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I'm with Russ on this one. Keep it simple and have one PY for the RS100 regardless of rig and both rigs start together. Yes there arent many 300's with small rigs anymore, as the lighter guys have now mostly mastered the big rigs. I think the same will happen with the 100. People predominantly sail in light to medium winds, and very occassionally heavy airs so my feeling is the 100 will go the same way as the 300 and people will gravitate toward the big rig over time, although I would love to be proved wrong.

You cant have it both ways and say that the speed difference is so negligible that at opens you will start together (which is what I'd be pushing for if i'd bought a 100) but that you need an advantage in handicap racing if you're using the small rig. Just doesnt stack up to me. You'd be labelled as the bandit class. Stick to one handicap for the class, choose your weapon as James said and enjoy your sailing!



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The problem is that if everyone gravitates to a big rig that could exclude the lighter sailors - that wasnt what RS expressed as the objective
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Nope, I'm sure it wasnt what they wanted for the 300 either but it happened.

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Originally posted by asterix

The problem is that if everyone gravitates to a big rig that could exclude the lighter sailors - that wasn't what RS expressed as the objective

 

The lighter sailors will learn how to handle the bigger rig, like they have in the 300!  Or with the smaller rig will equalise the performance!  In either case, why should there be a different PY?  Sorry guys but why should you be able to have it both ways? Oh and Haroosh, i completely disagree with you regarding the 300 A and B rigs, the smaller sailors go just as quick as the big boys!

 

The only way the weight vs sail size issue is going to work is if the association police it at opens etc.  If you are under a certain weight and height, you sail with the smaller rig, if you are over the bigger!  No changing that way you should all compete on a n evenish footing, with one PY.

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Originally posted by turnturtle



Which one will me more popular at national level? Who knows, but if I
were putting a bet on now I'd say the 8.4 will be the weapon of choice for
most in breezy conditions, so this goes in reverse to what happened with
the 300s.

 

So are you saying then Jimbo that you can pick your rig for each event??  But later its going to be two seperate classes??  This is all very confussing?

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