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    Posted: 26 Feb 10 at 11:11am

No, Chris C in the 300's, everyone races against everyone regardless of rig size. You state rig size at start of season and are allowed to change once I think. None of this changing to suit conditions malarkey at open level anyway. No weight limit, anyone can sail any rig.
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i know duringtesting the Phant sail was directly compared on the packages
and its a lot bigger than they want you to think............
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James, I hope to do a test sail through ldc some time soon, depending on what happens there and what they suggest or leave me undecided on I may have to take up your offer of a sail especially if there are other boats there using both rigs just to see how it works in reality on a race course.  I am just slightly nervous that sailing the 8.4 would get frustrating when all the 10.2s can roll out from under you and you cant do the same to them.  I guess it will just come down to how much sail i feel i can handle when i try the boat, it looks a very stable platform but only a test sail can confirm that! Also as I will probably not have sailed my boat until the first race of the nationals I may be tempted more to the safer option of the 8.4 rig, will have to see whether we get a windy summer or not too... Parkstone with 20 knots and a rig that is too big on a boat i had never sailed before would be a bit of a disaster!
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Originally posted by turnturtle

As I understood it, the relaxation of class rules in the 300 was an evolution
led by the sailors. I'm sure it was 'designed' and implemented as a form of
weight equalisation when first launched.

I hope the 100s can cut the bullsh*t phase out and learn from the positive
improvements the 300 sailors did for their class. But hey, that's just my
opinion, maybe others would prefer to see a split down the line on sail
choice once the numbers justify running larger events in a couple of heats.

You're right Jimbo, it was sailor-led. There were originally 2 cut-off weights specified. Below the lower weight you had to use the smaller (A) rig and above the higher weight you had to use the larger (B) rig. Between the 2 weight you could use either. Could only change rig once per year though. And all boats have the same handicap so there's just 1 fleet.

Now anyone of whatever weight can use either rig (but as Chris states, can only change once a year). What has happened is that several lighter sailors who originally used an A rig have developed their technique to cope with the B so have moved up. This might also happen with the 100 with those using the smaller sail perhaps moving to the larger one in a year or two's time.

Anyway, it's all self limiting. The lighter sailors with the large rig are very difficult to beat in light winds but they struggled at the champs last year when we never got below force 4. Choose your weapons...
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James

I think you have just written the perfect simple class rule on this one -

"Choose your weapons..."

For each event all have a free choice, but once made you stick with it for
the whole event.

If you register with a big 10.2, take the handicap penalty, but its 'a
blowin', then by all means use an 8.4, but you still have the 10.2
handicap.

If you are a lighty and the event is looking very light, you can chose to
register with the big sail and make your lightness work for you, but on
the 10.2 handicap.

Simples

Whatever, its key to keep both rigs on the same start.
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No that is a very bad idea! I will only be buying one rig due to the cost and so will most others probably! Dont bring the handicaps into the fleet racing, if the fleet gets big enough then it would be hell trying to take all the times down as well as the sail numbers! And if it gets really big we will want to be sailing in 2 seperate starts anyway either in flights of mixed rigs or as seperate rigs.
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laser193713 . This system shouldn't penalise anyone. Lighties with one
rig still have the handicap advantage. The only penalty in this system for
one sail only sailors, would be that Big guys with only a 10.2 couldn't
change down in bigger winds.

In reality, the boat and rig is pretty user friendly, so a good big guy will
carry a 10.2 in all weathers. I am a pretty average club sailor and used to
sail a megabyte with a 10m main in all weathers. That was with a pretty
stiff / leass adjustable rig and 10 " less beam.

I will have a smaller sail as well because I sail on the sea almost
exclusively and when I want to go for a non serious pursuit race in a big
wind I may just want a slightly easier life. Also give my son a chance to
sail the boat when he is bored of his Radial.
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In terms of self policing, if the sails could have a different colour stripe that
would work. Or maybe at 'serious' events, all boats have to have an
appropriate coloured circle on the bow? You would have to be a muppet to
try and mix them up and expect the rest of us not to notice.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by laser193713

No that is a very bad idea! I will only be buying one
rig due to the cost and so will most others probably! Dont bring the
handicaps into the fleet racing, if the fleet gets big enough then it would be
hell trying to take all the times down as well as the sail numbers! And if it
gets really big we will want to be sailing in 2 seperate starts anyway either in
flights of mixed rigs or as seperate rigs.


why do you need to take the times? Handicapping doesn't need to exist...
simply filter the results, a bit like 'Gold' & 'Silver' fleets in the MPS... you'll
always get the odd silver fleet bod finishing above the odd gold fleet bod,
but they start at the same time and finish on the same overall results sheet.

See here for a case in point: http://tinyurl.com/yctbqo6

Rick won the Nationals, I came last... we still shared the same starts, drank some beer
and ate from the same cauldron of pasta at the end of the day... that's what great classes
do, they're inclusive.

Keeping events inclusie is key to keeping everyone interested.

We always give the best prizes to the age groups & silver & bronze.

I think Sten one a baseball cap for winning the Nationals where as the Silver winner got a nice huge Harken roller bag.

After all; it's a bunch of friends enjoying a holiday.

 
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I dont think you should be allowed to change sails mid event, I am not worried about the big guys all coming along on a windy event and racing the small rig but if it turns light the next day of the event then I would not be happy for them to get their big rigs out again! At least not on the same set of results!

Maybe in a couple of years I will have gained weight and skill and might be able to handle the bigger rig, perhaps I can handle it now?

I have been told that at my size i would probably be on the small rig, but what are the actual suggested weights for each rig? Or is that still to be discovered?
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