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    Posted: 27 May 18 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by Bootscooter

Make the sailors matter, and the people will connect.


What, a bunch of perceived rich kids doing an elitist sport? I don’t see the human interest story there for today’s media

Even Nick Dempsey’s sex life had a two day media value before the Daily Mail got bored, and does anyone even remember whether it was Gabriella or Monica Ben was banging?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 18 at 9:42pm
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Originally posted by Bootscooter

Make the sailors matter, and the people will connect.


What, a bunch of perceived rich kids doing an elitist sport? I don’t see the human interest story there for today’s media

Even Nick Dempsey’s sex life had a two day media value before the Daily Mail got bored, and does anyone even remember whether it was Gabriella or Monica Ben was banging?


Well there's a better chance of that than exciting them with a foiling boat or kite board, unless there's a lot of crashes of course. I'm with boots here, the modern world feeds on celebrity and unless you make a sailor a celeb then they won't follow it.

Even if you do build the cult of a sailing celeb transmitting that into new recruits will probably fall over at the first hurdle when they meet Brian and Shelia at their local club waving the rya level one booklet at them
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If it's the person and not the event that matters, why are so many of the celebrity sportspeople drawn from such a small minority of sports and why are the top people from so many extreme sports overlooked?  Surely the fascinating people should be found in all sports and not just a few? 

ESPN does an annual ranking of the fame of sportspeople using their Google Trend score, their social media following, and their endorsement pay. Twenty of the most famous top 100 came from football; thirteen from basketball; 11 from golf; ten from tennis; 8 from American football; and 20 from all other sports.

Surely it can't be that people from three sports make up almost half of the fascinating personalities out of all the worlds 500 or so recognised sports. It seems hard to imagine that golfers are such amazing, fascinating, scintillating human beings that they have earned their high profile from their personalities alone and that the event doesn't matter.

The other thing is the almost complete absence from that list of "extreme" sportspeople. A look a the list shows not a single one of the lunatics who charge into 65 foot waves on surfboards. There's not a single motorcycle racer, no singlehanded round the world racers, no ski jumpers, no extreme skiers, no mountain climbers, no base jumpers, no cliff divers, no wingsuit flyers, no volcano surfers, no kitesurfers. Surely all those people cannot be so dull that they are being overlooked because they are boring?

The vast majority of the biggest celebrities in sport do something that just about all of us could do this afternoon, very close to home. The extreme crash-and-burn sports don't attract many participants and they don't create many major celebrities. 




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Chris, I was  going to quote your 'why ignore the evidence?' before you edited it out... ;)

Because the evidence goes against the popular view (that can generate hundreds of posts on forums) in dying baby-boomer minority sports, that the reason they're dying is because non-participants are lazy, obsessed with their phones, need to be inspired by elite/extreme competition on a screen etc.

It's easier blame those outside the sport than look in the mirror. You only have to look at the short shrift given to the webinar on here - a whole 10 posts. The nuanced take on the numbers presented and the idea that sailing clubs should try to fit the changing world, rather than the Canute like idea that the reverse should be true, isn't very popular... Tongue




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Lots of people watch all those sports where people have become famous, both on the telly, but more importantly, in real life. Sailing not only doesn't take place in a stadium, court or on a fairway, where it is easy to see what is going on, it is also almost impossible to figure out in real life what is going on, when all you can see is a mess of white sails.

I think it is highly unlikely that sailing will ever be watched by millions, grow personalities which transcend the sport (except in France, maybe) or even suddenly grow due to the advent of foiling.

Which leaves the Franks and Shilas of this world, or maybe the Nessas and Ruperts, to attract people to the sport little by little, RYA logbooks or not. Bit silly to belittle people who do this, isn't it?
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I’m quite surprised that the Finn class are pushing the ‘sailors not the boat’ angle. Any of the Finn sailors could excel in different kit and become stars but without sentiment why would the Finn be the best choice to do this? Any answer I come up with focuses on the pro’s of the boat or class.

I’d have though the class would better off promoting the benefits of the boat over cheaper/accessible alternatives.
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Bearing in mind the massive popularity of F1, and yesterday’s Grand Prix, maybe the answer is to have qualifying on a Sat, then the fastest sailor can start first, with the slowest last and the race would be held on the Sunday with everyone following each other round in single file.

Public seem to like it.
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Top 100 sports people ! These will be the likes of David Beckham presumably who can count their wealth in the hundred millions, their are probably tens of thousands of sports personalities who have become multimillionaires, tens of thousands who will have a decent living.
Eddie the eagle will always have a comfortable lifestyle, anyone who has ever looked down a Ski jump knows what it takes to launch, not forgetting he worked to fund his Olympics.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bootscooter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 18 at 9:59am
Originally posted by E.J.

I’m quite surprised that the Finn class are pushing the ‘sailors not the boat’ angle. Any of the Finn sailors could excel in different kit and become stars but without sentiment why would the Finn be the best choice to do this? Any answer I come up with focuses on the pro’s of the boat or class.

I’d have though the class would better off promoting the benefits of the boat over cheaper/accessible alternatives.


Because this conference was about selecting the event, not the equipment. The Class has fought to ensure that there needs to be an event for the big guys (and there’s no way that - 6 ft 6in, 96 Kg, next-to-no-fat Finn athlete can compete at the top level with a correctly sized Laser sailor, in a Laser!).
Once this argument is won, the Finn can be confident that it is the best worldwide Class to fit the sailors.
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