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In fairness the Cirrus webpage does say from £5,995 based on options, but is that current?  I am quite fond of a non standard colour scheme.

I don't think GRF was referring to the sailors !   Anyway it is avery small sample you have there - Paul B is both 'well known' and outstanding and has been across many classes both one and two hull and for a good few years.  I don't know Starcross but I would bet he would dominate small fleet competiton if helming most of the other local classes he faces as well  ....

FYI - He bought Icon 18 off another west country crew who struggled to even keep up with good Tasars at their club.  

This is why averages are a good idea ... and large samples with hundreds of races included.

Mike L.


PS - Winging it  ....  Yes 'Current' - see you at the show then ?
 


Edited by blaze720 - 27 Feb 14 at 4:12pm

Originally posted by oldbloke iGRF asks "who are these people" .

I meant who are the people on the technical yardstick committee, I've had a nice long PM from JimC explaining some of my questions and it seems it gets down to time rather than any conspiracy I might imagine, but I still feel a controlled annual event with helms swapping and rabbit starts in as steady a wind environment that one could find would be a better solution, backed by some hard physical measurement evidence.

Originally posted by iGRF Originally posted by oldbloke iGRF asks "who are these people" .   I meant who are the people on the technical yardstick committee, I've had a nice long PM from JimC explaining some of my questions and it seems it gets down to time rather than any conspiracy I might imagine, but I still feel a controlled annual event with helms swapping and rabbit starts in as steady a wind environment that one could find would be a better solution, backed by some hard physical measurement evidence.

Many of "these people" have explained it all on here before, been insulted/disbelieved by a few posters on here and have given up trying to convince you that they aren't paid by Laser/whoever to fix the results. That Jim is willing to try again shows he must be Mother Teresa in disguise.

Originally posted by blaze720 An occasional  panel of 'the good and the wise' try out new boats on the water

The trouble is a one day or one weekend event is probably going to be worthless. You only have to look at major handicap event results to see why. Even a weeks event like ISAF class trials have been is going to be prone to weather problems. You have to have a variety of weather otherwise there's little point. Don't get me wrong: if the major manufacturers want to pay me generous expenses to come and sail their boats to demonstrate how fast they are with a reasonably typical overweight mid fleet helm on board then I'd probably be up for it, at least if it were somewhere reasonably local, but I'm not sure it would really prove any more than a basic paper exercise like the one I did above.

Is all the leading data available for the D-one and the new RS yet? I'll happily have a go at a paper estimate and you can all laugh at me in two years time or whenever/if ever they get sufficient boats on the water to justify a published number. But I reckon I'll probably get to about +- 30 points (remember that's 2 or 3 points in the original PY system) and I bet that's at least as reliable as a one day only sailoff.

I want waterline length, waterline beam, sail area, ideally luff length, overall length, overall beam and photos of the hulls upside down. Reckon that should be enough to get in the area. Really much the same as Dan does with his spreadsheet.