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    Posted: 15 Nov 13 at 6:16pm
except when the punter bought a 500 s/he didn't expect to be sailing against 400s - 

If someone showed up with the little 500 rig, would they not be allowed to compete with the 500 XL rigs?
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

The event complied with the class rules, in that the fleets were scored separately, although started together.  The question this raises is, what was the point of splitting the fleet then?  They start together, there's interference... guaranteed.   Are the racing each other or not?  

And I guess a deeper concern, why after this long, are the numbers not really there for a healthy fleet, never mind the two the class seems to have forced through rather prematurely?

Anyway, Getafix will be along in a moment to tell us that only 3 entries for the 10.2 fleet at the End of Season Champs (which replaced the Inlands)  is 'not news'...

  1. C.1.2  (i) All Championships for the RS100 dinghy are raced as 2 classes: The RS100 8.4 class, and RS100 10.2 class.

C.1.2 (ii) In all Championships, where the two classes are started together, a boat’s score for a race is that achieved only against sailors in the same class. 


"Not News"

The shocking revelation that the same people who liked sailing with 10.2 and 8.4 sails before, chose to use them, at the same time, in the same venue, at the end of season champs.  Wow.

I'm sure if there is a need to count to more than 3, then emergency measures can be called upon, probably by helicopter, to rectify.
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News enough to be the opening paragraph of the Press Release....

Crucially they were not racing against each other,... so if you had a 10.2 you'd only have 3 other competitors.  It's hardly a good state of affairs for a class that's only just got ISAF recognised status is it?

Oh well... I guess it's an easy way to get a podium in an International ISAF Class these days, considering the 8.4 isn't the one ISAF actually recognise currently.



Edited by yellowwelly - 15 Nov 13 at 6:27pm
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According to the RS website, there's now a third sail option for the RS100. So the choice is 10.2, 8.4 and 7.4 sq. metre sails. Has anyone seen the 7.4 sail in action? What helm weights are suited to each sail size?
 
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7.4 is not class legal- it is a training aid only. Naturally a local club can provide a bathtub with a teepee on top with a PN, therefore a metre less sail area ought not tax your sailing club bean counters too much.

As for weights... Depends entirely on location.
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Thanks for clarifying that, Yellowwelly. The RS site suggests the 7.4 sail is just like the other two, i.e. for racing not just training.
  • The early response to the RS100 from sailors around the world was incredible and we quickly realised that both big and small sailors really want this boat to work for them.
  • Having looked in detail at the ways to broaden the competitive weight range the RS100 has three mainsail size options: 10.2m, 8.4m and 7.4m
  • A width adjustable performance equalisation system would have added considerable cost and meant that light sailors had to carry a lot of lead in the boat. We don’t think this is what the RS100 should be about.
  • Three mainsail sizes (as per standard Laser main, Radial and 4.7) keep the boat simple and suit a wide weight range

 
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it was covered earlier on this thread, but we'd all be forgiven for getting a bit lost in here now and again!

In reality, I doubt you'd be kicked out of an event for rigging one, in fact Nick Peters makes a point of saying you'd be welcome with open arms.  I guess if you're the only one it would be a good way to get a prize as they'd no doubt score you separately in anything carrying the Championship moniker.

Gurnard had a 7.4 competing regularly off a higher handicap iirc...




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LTSC has a 7.4 competing every weekend for the last couple of years.
Although it is the only 100 left at the club as it's been taken over by those pesky kids , sorry those pesky d- one's  LOL
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Originally posted by SimonW99

Although it is the only 100 left at the club as it's been taken over by those pesky kids , sorry those pesky d- one's  LOL

I always figured once the hype had died down the D-1 would come through as the better choice for most. 

Looks like a good fleet of d-1s at Lymington now ...
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Originally posted by L123456

Originally posted by SimonW99

Although it is the only 100 left at the club as it's been taken over by those pesky kids , sorry those pesky d- one's  LOL

I always figured once the hype had died down the D-1 would come through as the better choice for most. 

Looks like a good fleet of d-1s at Lymington now ...


The D-1 is a fine boat, but that is a gross generalization.
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