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    Posted: 16 Mar 15 at 1:48pm
forgive my ignorance, but couldn't you just lay one over the other?  therefore buying separate sheets?
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Trouble is I'm not sure what you'd gain. A sensibly handled dinghy isn't going to get the sort of abuse a board has to put up with, so a carbon only layup will be strong enough and lighter.
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Fair point...  I guess we have the rotomoulded options when considering durability, or vinyl ester etc....  sorry for the off-topic tangent, but thanks for the responses, interesting info.
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Class Rules for the RS100:

  1. C.1.2  (iv) A sailor who swaps rigs during a regatta, or series of races or regattas, shall rank as a new starter / entry for that regatta or series. 


I guess that unless the club SI expressly says otherwise, then this would/should apply?
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Originally posted by turnturtle

I guess that unless the club SI expressly says otherwise, then this would/should apply?

Not even then:
RRS 87 CHANGES TO CLASS RULES
The sailing instructions may change a class rule only when the class
rules permit the change, or when written permission of the class
association for the change is displayed on the official notice board.


Mind you the practical effect may be less than you'd think, since in most cases I think what is effectively going on that the club is scoring by helm and combining entries when the helm is sailing multiple boats, so it makes little difference whether the helm is swapping between RS100 small rig and RS100 big rig, or RS100 small rig and RS400.


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thanks for the clarity... and point taken.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by turnturtle

I guess that unless the club SI expressly says otherwise, then this would/should apply?

Not even then:
RRS 87 CHANGES TO CLASS RULES
The sailing instructions may change a class rule only when the class
rules permit the change, or when written permission of the class
association for the change is displayed on the official notice board.


Mind you the practical effect may be less than you'd think, since in most cases I think what is effectively going on that the club is scoring by helm and combining entries when the helm is sailing multiple boats, so it makes little difference whether the helm is swapping between RS100 small rig and RS100 big rig, or RS100 small rig and RS400.

But then the club could always create a local class, call it RS100whocarewhatsailyouuse and say it had all the class rules as the RS100 class except you may swap between the 10.2 and 8.4 sail freely.

The same could be done for the Aero (and the Zero and the Laser).

The flip side is that they would need to decide on a suitable PY....(but that is another matter)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 15 at 11:13am
Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by turnturtle

I guess that unless the club SI expressly says otherwise, then this would/should apply?

Not even then:
RRS 87 CHANGES TO CLASS RULES
The sailing instructions may change a class rule only when the class
rules permit the change, or when written permission of the class
association for the change is displayed on the official notice board.


Mind you the practical effect may be less than you'd think, since in most cases I think what is effectively going on that the club is scoring by helm and combining entries when the helm is sailing multiple boats, so it makes little difference whether the helm is swapping between RS100 small rig and RS100 big rig, or RS100 small rig and RS400.

But then the club could always create a local class, call it RS100whocarewhatsailyouuse and say it had all the class rules as the RS100 class except you may swap between the 10.2 and 8.4 sail freely.

The same could be done for the Aero (and the Zero and the Laser).

The flip side is that they would need to decide on a suitable PY....(but that is another matter)


I thought the local self adjustment of PY was supposed to work?
If so why won't it cope with this?

The RRS-not changing class rules only applies in class races.
In yardstick racing whether it's PY, IRC or IMS, you can race your production boat in any configuration you care to, provided the handicapping authority is prepared to issue a handicap.

I'd guess the majority of boats racing PY are no-class anyway, as the sailors aren't in the CA.....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Mar 15 at 11:19am
Originally posted by RS400atC

The RRS-not changing class rules only applies in class races.

An interesting assertion, but where in the RRS (or anywhere else) does it say that?
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by RS400atC

The RRS-not changing class rules only applies in class races.

An interesting assertion, but where in the RRS (or anywhere else) does it say that?

Agreed, it applies to any race that is run under the RRS as a boat must be class rule compliant.

As for the self adjusting comment it may mean the 10.2 is undult handicapped as fast if people swap down when it is windy (or sail as an RS100 8.4). This is the issue the Rooster 8.1 faces but as the PY is based on published results this will happen.
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