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    Posted: 15 Apr 15 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by SimonW99

The fact that RS seems to have given up posting here save in extremis suggests that manufacturers input gets abused here 

you and I know very well that RS management has politely requested its employees refrain from commenting here about company business, that's hardly a new policy....  

What RS may have done since the RS100 'open source' model for product development is take a very different tack with the Aero.  And it seems to be very successful given the sales volumes floating around the internet (and I have no reason to question them by the way before that sentence gets taken out of context...)

That said, ask a genuine question, or be a little sh*t and post a question in a contentious manner, you will usually get a response from Riki- when he's not sunning himself somewhere without PY bullsh*t and winter handicap event 'controversies' to deal with.  Failing that, if it's class related I think Pistol Pete posts here occasionally- they just don't seem to use it as a proactive marketing tool bumping their own threads, which is kind of the point Russ and I were making.  

But anyway, I think it's a shame if Mike feels he can't post here, certainly not an intention- and frankly a weak excuse to pull the 'trolling card' - hardly trolling is it, quite the contrary, at least a little bit of dialogue keeps the discussion going- christ knows there's been enough chatter on Halos, Fires and Icons for fairly insignificant impact in terms of boats we actively see racing at clubs.  

And I'd add, it's fair to say he's been waning from the forum for a while, as I'm sure is natural once you've explained PY to Fuller for the umpteenth time, or frankly lost interest in endless class vs PY racing philosophising- wasn't his New Year's resolution to stop visiting here as much or something?    Anyway, hope he comes back with genuine updates on the boat, and given that, hope he also sees some merit in taking a banner ad or two... hell, I'd even click on it, even though I doubt I'd ever buy one.
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... and as if by magic, a proper press release, almost certainly paid for.


List of site marketing partners here:


notable absences include:

Cirrus Raceboats
Sailboats.com
purplemarine
Speed Sails
Laser / Performance Sailcraft


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I am really diisapointed that Mike has been hounded out which is how it appears to us mere moderates. Surely the people controlling the site and have the commercial interest should be the ones highlighting commercialism if they feel it is an issue.
I only lurk as I find posting a real challenge knowing that two or three individuals can make it very uncomfortable and not an enjoyable experience.
I commend two of the posters for their set up on facebook but really feel this attitude on this forum has now ruined it(having monitored for several years).
Real shame.


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Perception is a wonderful thing isn't it?  Mike has not been 'hounded out', he's received responses based on his bumped posts on threads he's started.  

Fortunately Y&Y has a very nifty tool to see where a member's interests lie, and where they are making active contributions, therefore the perceptions can at least be countered with very real fact.


If Mike has decided to no longer continue to post in these threads, then that's a little sad, but fairly understandable given there aren't many Blaze sailors posting here, nor many here you could accurately describe as 'prospects' for one either.  

Blaming folks because you don't like some of their contributions is a bit pointless- it's a forum, it has mixed opinions - that's the very foundation of it.  If we all agreed on everything, then really, what's there to write about?  

The solution is to post more, not less.  Add new topics of interest if you don't like the ones on PY.  

Give more into it and share your experiences....  when was the last time someone came on here to big up a watch, or complain about a set of hikers that fell apart?  Then ask yourself why would any of us do that here?  Except of course out of habit.  We have Facebook for that, or Twitter.  And that assumes any of us can arsed with it at all anyway.  What is it, 15 years on from when discussion boards and social media began to feature in our lives?  Longer for some I know.... 


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Its hardly hounded though is it?  There has been no name calling, no abuse, in fact the only person being abusive is Mike posting the tolling thing.  Is it not fair to ask a business (because in the context in which it was written is commercial) to 'buy and ad' if they are using this forum to sell their goods?  He could quite rightly ignored it, however chose to sulk.  He will definitely be back, no doubt making patronising comments about the forum folk such as 'less typing more sailing - at 2:45 on a Tuesday when most of us are working.

Like I said before, i have absolutely no problem with Mike whatsoever.  I don't know the guy.  Just like you I am entitled to air my view and have an opinion and I think its wrong, that someone can commercially use this forum for free, not support the website that hosts it (remember it costs money and the dinghy world is hardly a healthy one from a commercial perspective) but also not expect some criticism off the back of it.  Perhaps he should use his new Internet dictionary and read up on how a forum works.

Its important to remember, that James and I are normal people with jobs and are in fat pretty pony sailors.  We don't represent anybody or any particular demographic.  We have no admin rights and are certainly not self proclaimed forum police.  But we call it as we see it and as long as we do that within the law and the rule set of this forum then where is the problem?
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Nothing wrong with calling it as you see it, but sometimes a point can be laboured to a position where it feels like the opinions of others aren't being listened to at all. If you aren't the forum police, what does it matter to you (beyond maybe 1 post commenting) whether a company pays for advertizing? Mark must keep an eye on the forum, and surely would contact anyone he feels is abusing the system.

Now, on the positive side of things here, many people who rarely post have found a voice. Please post more, so the views of the few (me included) are watered down by the views of the many.
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I guess it doesn't matter to me Rupert, pretty sure Mark doesn't have a problem with it.  But the question is would he if his other advertisers decided to withdraw their banners and advertising spend and just use the forum?  In fact would anyone have problem?  Probably not.  Up until this resource couldn't fund itself any longer and disappeared.  Mikes posts around rig developments have been great.  Sure i may disagree with what he has developed but the market will talk and buy what they think fits them.  But starting your own thread and bumping it when you earn money selling the item thread subject, is in my opinion a little cheeky.  Especially when you do not pay to advertise here.  Not at risk of not listening to others opinions I wont say any more on the subject.  Mike WILL be back...in fact he already has been logged in today.

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Originally posted by Null

 Mike WILL be back...in fact he already has been logged in today.

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I'd hate to say it but if you have a free forum where freedom of speech is supposed to be practiced, then anyone also has the right to "advertise" unless of course the terms of registration specifically prohibit it. Now as someone who only ever registered once and never bothered to read them anyway, I am not in position to say if that is the case, perhaps one of the regular name changers could enlighten us. 

Yes it may be a little cheeky of mike but he is allowed and therefore it is irrelevant what the rest of us feel about it. If you have a problem about it contact Mark, have a private discussion with him about it, but keep it off of here where if often appears to get personal, where a few seem to dictate what should and should not appear on the forum by weight of their posts. 

I agree that we don't want carte Blanche advertising within the forum if at all possible but that is a decision for Mark and Mags. 
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