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    Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 2:45pm
although my mafs aren't bad...

'38 votes, equals 44%', therefore total class membership is 85/86 members.  With c.400 boats sold, that means the class represents less than 25% of the owners.  With less half again actually voting, with only 2/3rd then voting in favour... presumably because for the rest who abstained the wording was poor / they don't give a sh*t?

Do ISAF look at these stats before validating the rules changes Ol' Timer?  25 sailors out of 400 boats sounds like a vocal minority to me?


Edited by yellowwelly - 05 Jun 13 at 2:48pm
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Unions or politicians don't with similar stats jimbo, why should they?
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From my limited experience I think that's actually quite a high turnout for a class rule vote.
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Originally posted by yellowwelly

 
Do ISAF look at these stats before validating the rules changes Ol' Timer?  25 sailors out of 400 boats sounds like a vocal minority to me?

I believe it depends on the class constitution, they do have one I assume?

Usually only members of the class association get a vote so if you don't join the club you don't control the rules; that is fair enough.

If you do join the club and don't vote then you deserve the rules you are given.

I fear the poor representation of opinion is just a reflection of the youth of today ... don't get me started on that ...
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@ maxi- Because ultimately these are now ISAF's rules, not the 'RS Owners Association'...  therefore when there are changes to them proposed by members of the class association, those proposals must reflect what ISAF believe to be in the best interest of the class/wider sport.  25 sailors out of 400 boats, with an acknowledged poorly worded proposal, doesn't really hold much gravitas does it?  

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to act as the supervising organisation for the sport of sailing, to grant and withdraw international or recognised status to or from classes of boats and to prescribe the relevant rules and measurement procedures; 


@ Jim/OT - both right, of course.


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Originally posted by yellowwelly

 With c.400 boats sold, that means the class represents less than 25% of the owners. 

25% membership of boats built would be good for a traditional class but for a class that is so young you'd expect people who have just forked out the best part of £10k to be a bit more motivated and to have joined up; especially when there are class rules ballots on such fundimental issues.

Are you sure 400 boats have been built? If that was the cause you'd expect close to 100 boats at the worlds ...
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What is it they say? Lies, damn lies and RS sails figures or sail numbers.

Do Menorca and Sunsail get 1 or 300 votes? Lol

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Originally posted by Ruscoe

What is it they say? Lies, damn lies and RS sails figures or sail numbers.

Do Menorca and Sunsail get 1 or 300 votes? Lol

Funny how apparently you can tear into an RS something, but as soon as something critical is even thought about a D-1 you dive into people with venom.......  Confused
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Originally posted by Neptune

Originally posted by Ruscoe

What is it they say? Lies, damn lies and RS sails figures or sail numbers.

Do Menorca and Sunsail get 1 or 300 votes? Lol

Funny how apparently you can tear into an RS something, but as soon as something critical is even thought about a D-1 you dive into people with venom.......  Confused

Ha ha, now you've done it, queue another hot denial about making carping comments about the 'competition'..... Wink
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Not at all, I wouldn't comment on how the 100 sails. As a boat I'm sure it's a fine ship. My beef has always been the bullsh*t that is attached to it via RS. Always has been, always will be.

It also wasn't my comment, I made a tongue in cheek comment about someone else's posts. But obviously Neptune you are still sore regarding your d1 rant and the fact you lost the plot over it an getafix as a 100 sailor I would expect some kind of defence.

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