New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: The RS100 Owners Thread
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

The RS100 Owners Thread
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 201202203204205 248>
Author
  Share Topic Share Topic  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Old Timer View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 05 Jun 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 370 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Old Timer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: The RS100 Owners Thread
    Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by JimC

I know the cost of an IJ is bitterly resented by some of the more amateur classes that generate few protests. Trouble is when they do generate protests they are sometimes pretty major - the Fair sailing protest at the I14 world in NZ is a notable example.

I have been reading this thread with interest. 

That is an excellent example cited by JimC

When a class chooses (it is not mandatory) to become an ISAF class then you should expect to operate to its requirements.

Being a ISAF class puts certain costs onto a class not least the ISAF plaque that has to paid for on every new boat and the costs associated and International Jury of 5 people at a world championships.

I think ISAF classes can really be split into 2 groups; Olympic classes ... and the rest ...

The "rest" are really amateur racings classes and only serious racing classes perhaps should seek ISAF status.

After all what are the benefits of ISAF status to the amateur owner / racer?
Back to Top
getafix View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 28 Mar 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2143 		Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by Old Timer

 

I think ISAF classes can really be split into 2 groups; Olympic classes ... and the rest ...

100% agree

Originally posted by Old Timer

 
The "rest" are really amateur racings classes and only serious racing classes perhaps should seek ISAF status.

After all what are the benefits of ISAF status to the amateur owner / racer?

.... IMO the 'benefits' are exactly the same as those enjoyed by my local cycling club from the UCI, or my local athletics club from IAF, the "warm feeling" you get from keeping some chefs and staff at Michelin-starred restaurants in Geneva gainfully employed (not to mention legions of "moat cleaners" and live in nannies)
Back to Top
Old Timer View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 05 Jun 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 370 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Old Timer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by Getafix

 
Originally posted by Old Timer

 
The "rest" are really amateur racings classes and only serious racing classes perhaps should seek ISAF status.
After all what are the benefits of ISAF status to the amateur owner / racer?

.... IMO the 'benefits' are exactly the same as those enjoyed by my local cycling club from the UCI, or my local athletics club from IAF, the "warm feeling" you get from keeping some chefs and staff at Michelin-starred restaurants in Geneva gainfully employed (not to mention legions of "moat cleaners" and live in nannies)

very good ... 

I guess the issue is why bother with the ISAF status for a class like the RS100 when you don't have the will to bankroll the guys in blazers ...


Edited by Old Timer - 05 Jun 13 at 12:24pm
Back to Top
RS400atC View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 04 Dec 08
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3011 		Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 12:35pm
Could it be the builders are keen for ISAF status to flog lots of boats worldwide, while it's the sailors who have to pay for the Jury?
 
Older classes became 'International' when the rules were different, do they have the option of 'losing' their ISAF status should it no longer be beneficial?
 
In my view, the fact you need a jury of several highly qualified people to make rules decisions suggests there is something wrong with a set of rules that the competitor is supposed to be able to memorise and apply instantly.
Back to Top
Contender443 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 01 Oct 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1211 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender443 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 1:47pm
Well it is 280 Euros to enter the Contender Worlds at Como this year and it is only 70 Euros to enter the RS100 Worlds at the same venue. However the Contenders are a week long event with IJ and the RS100s have no IJ and a 3 to 4 day event.
Bonnie Lass Contender 1764
Back to Top
yellowwelly View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 24 May 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2003 		Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 1:50pm
Why can't the Contender Class seek special dispensation, like the RS100 Class, from having an IJ?
Back to Top
yellowwelly View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 24 May 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2003 		Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 1:53pm
The vote has been carried... a new set of class rules is available to download from the Class Association website.
Back to Top
Old Timer View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 05 Jun 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 370 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Old Timer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by yellowwelly

The vote has been carried... a new set of class rules is available to download from the Class Association website.


Not so fast young yellowwelly ...

The RS100 class rules are here:


If there is ever any query or protest on class rules for an ISAF class then the jury (or protest committee) will always defer to the class rules on the ISAF website.

If there is a change to any class rule then ISAF have to approve that and then you will see the class rules updated on the ISAF site.

Any other document has no formal standing.
Back to Top
yellowwelly View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 24 May 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2003 		Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 2:31pm
Kit Hobday's Bear of Britain:



AA Milne's Bear of Little Brain:



Sadly I'm more the latter than the former.... and assumed the announcement on the website and new rules download meant it was a done deal. My Bad... 
Back to Top
Old Timer View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work


Joined: 05 Jun 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 370 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Old Timer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 13 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by yellowwelly

.... and assumed the announcement on the website and new rules download meant it was a done deal. My Bad... 

maybe in due course but not until ISAF agree and publish ...
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 201202203204205 248>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy