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iGRF 
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Been there, done that, got several T shirts. 
At the moment this is more challenging, so fun and rewarding when I make little quantum leaps. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 22 May 18 at 6:33pm |
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I can remember being taught that hares were closer to dogs than rabbits. Amazing how much I think I know is wrong... |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 23 May 18 at 1:19am |
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The issue was the general configuration, not the specific hull construction of one class of that configuration. As I understand from a repeat UK 470 medallist, the hulls last much better than is often claimed.
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Chris 249
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[/QUOTE] I wonder have asys only been around 1/4 as long as the syms? A big surge in the early 90's so propably... with a saturated market id say the uptake was good. Had it been the other way round would syms be as popular? From my experience i'd say they'd have a much smaller share of the market, but that's all speculation. That 25%'s probably an over-estimate of the proportion of assys in the dinghy world. It's not a bad uptake, and it's logical that assys are popular since they are great to use. However, the point is that assys remain a minority even after 20 years of promotion. There are also far more differences between the typical grass-roots boats and a 49er than just the assy. The 470 is arguably closer to the grass roots boat in other ways, such as the fact that the skipper is hiking, the absence of wings, the pinhead main, the angles, the speed and the rig tune. Even before Skiffs had assys, they were a very different beast to the type of boats that are seen at normal clubs around most of the world. One other point is that checking out the various nations reinforces the fact that if we only have one nation's perspective we will get a very misleading view of what happens in world sailing. For example, Henderson's claim that the FD made kite and trap planing boats popular applies much more to Germany than it does to the UK or Oz and similarly, the assy has made less of an impact there.
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Chris 249
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Posted: 23 May 18 at 2:38am |
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If you were wrong when you think that much of what you know is wrong, would that make you right or would it make you even wronger-er?
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There are different ways of measuring popularity. I know it’s only one country, but I would hazard a guess that over the last 25 years (the ISO launched in 93 I think) asymmetric boats have outsold symmetric boats by an order of magnitude in the UK.
But that misses the point to some extent - why should the Olympic classes reflect what is popular at grass roots level? Most sailing here is done inland by gentlemen of a certain age, or by families. The Olympics is sea based and for fit athletes. The most popular bikes worldwide are Dutch style sit up bikes, but I wouldn’t expect themTdF to be raced on them! Anyhow, I maintain that the choice of class is secondary to the format of the racing. I’m all for a wider range of formats at the Olympics, I just believe there should have been more detail presented before accepting the proposal for a mixed one person dinghy. |
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Posted: 23 May 18 at 8:00am |
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agreed Peaky.
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Because different sports test and reward a specific set of skills. It's these skills and test which define each sport. The Olympics seek to find the 'higher, stronger faster' for each of these popular sporting tests and reward them. If the Olympics isn't reflecting the game being played at grass roots then it's because its carrying out different tests. As soon as it stop representing a game played worldwide it loses it's prestige, It becomes just a one off game contrived for TV. I'm happy for the boats selected to be more difficult than those chosen for grass roots sailing as long as the premise of the game remains relatable. In fact, sometimes I think it's better that their equipment is more difficult, then I can see them battling the same difficulties in 20 knots trying to gybe set the 49er as I do in my 200. Which brings me back to my main gripe against the mixed team single hander, which by all indication will be two separate fleet events on two courses with collated points. It's just not a game I recognise in from sailing. It seems contrived and unfair.
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It's just not a game I recognise in from sailing. It seems contrived and unfair. As are 'medal' races etc ... foisted on a sailing community in the naive belief it would make it more 'attractive' to the casual couch potato who know b****** all about sailing but is expected to be gleefully watching on TV. But hey if 'they' want 'Its a knockout' type sport on TV then we can be sure there will be plenty of 'gravy trainers' amongst those national representatives prepared to go along with it ... provided they can still eat at the money trough that is. Do the Olympics really represent the sport ? .... Maybe they did once after a fashion but today ? ...Thought not. Edited by Cirrus - 23 May 18 at 9:31am |
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Mark Aged 42
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Posted: 23 May 18 at 9:47am |
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So the obvious boat to include is.......the Laser 4000
The variable width racks and corrector weight system allows for a wide range of crew weights. Job done.
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