Hadron H2

Or just do what the PY system advocates you do which is look at a similar boat (or as similar as you can get it) and use that as a starting point.

..... and certainly under no circumstances approach ('anyone') for an EN.

This is one suggestion from GRF that makes a lot of sense to me  (no I don't agree with him on everything but I do believe they have simply become institutionalized into 'seeing no signal').  You will get much closer and much more quickly to a useful handicap number by entering boats into the next SJ series and seeing what number they calculate under the Great Lakes systems by the end of it. (GL is simply a related but improved derivative approach really).   You get to compare your craft directly against good examples of known classes that are mostly well sailed on the same water and at the same time. There are many many advantages in taking this route - appropriate and relevant sampling for a start being the obviously one... Most new classes, with just occasional exceptions, will of course have limited numbers /results for some time so getting the sampling approach right is absolutely critical.  I’m not convinced today that the RYA think there is any problem for any new classes and EN/PN that warrants any response.  

In fact I'd even consider avoiding affiliating the class to the RYA frankly - that can come much later if justified.  I see little point in paying for the 'privilege' that comes with the vagaries of the current PN system handling of new classes.  It is really a 'one size fits all' mincer.  Occasionally all of us turkeys out here will vote for Christmas but I see little point why we should continue having to pay 'them' for it as well. 

Edited by Cirrus - 11 Mar 16 at 11:54am

Originally posted by iGRF So and I don't care what happens now, the way it happens now is out of control. Markets should be lead by those who create them, not muppets in smoke filled rooms or why bother to invest? How can a club apply for a number if it isn't given a guide to start with, that surely is what the EN is about and the EN should be set by the manufacturer/designer in fact it shouldn't even be an 'E" number it should be the MRN manufacturer recommended number which should take precedence over incompetent committee bumbling until the product/class gets established. Now that Hadron having just bunged it through the Peaky/Fuller (I tweaked the formula a bit) EN generator which came out with 1041 at a maximum crew weight of 100kgs. and with the old wooden hull weight it's 1065. That's how quick and simple it can be, and hey if you don't weigh 100 kgs, and you're sailing it at say 85 kgs, then it should be 1023. And even an idiot could manipulate the formula.

So and I don't care what happens now, the way it happens now is out of control. Markets should be lead by those who create them, not muppets in smoke filled rooms or why bother to invest? How can a club apply for a number if it isn't given a guide to start with, that surely is what the EN is about and the EN should be set by the manufacturer/designer in fact it shouldn't even be an 'E" number it should be the MRN manufacturer recommended number which should take precedence over incompetent committee bumbling until the product/class gets established.

Now that Hadron having just bunged it through the Peaky/Fuller (I tweaked the formula a bit) EN generator which came out with 1041 at a maximum crew weight of 100kgs. and with the old wooden hull weight it's 1065.

That's how quick and simple it can be, and hey if you don't weigh 100 kgs, and you're sailing it at say 85 kgs, then it should be 1023.

And even an idiot could manipulate the formula.

James, don't let facts get in the way of a good internet rant though......