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    Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 4:54pm
Hi Mike
I thought I would support you in this. To question the honesty of a young person and then to have your facts wrong is inexcusable. Why has there not been an apology to the young sailors. How someone spends their time and money should not a concern. Had my daughter been less interest in other forms of sport, which her mother drove her around the country to do. I would have been more than willing l to have brought her a suitable boat and transported her and it. We have a family in the sailing club that I belong to that has a daugther in the Topper Squad and a son in the National Laser Squad with a second son just starting in the 29 er's. These parents have given up their own social lives and have had to do with out to ensure that their children are doing what they enjoy. I can only raise my hats to them. The real issue should not be the one of mistaken identity but that of trialing a different rig with out approval. How ever because it's a commercial company very little has been said about it. Glad to see that your boys are doing well. Piggys brother.  
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I have no objection to supportive parents. I am still one even though I am no longer needed, but I do object to kids being sold a dream of Olympic glory which will probably never be attained. I know parents who were sucked into this conspiracy only to emerge with scale free eyes and a 29er rotting behind the shed. There must be a better way of encouraging youth participation without mis representation.
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Posts: 2143 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by gbr940

Random question - why do we even still use the 420 nowadays? When I was younger I couldn't think of anything more boring when I saw them at the sailing club and the Dinghy Show, and nowadays they just look old and aged. 

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''The real issue should not be the one of mistaken identity but that of trialing a different rig with out approval''

Assuming that the 420 did have a t foil rudder, which was what everyone knew to the best of their knowledge up til about pg14 of this thread, everyone asking questions about it's right to sail, and dispensation/allocation of handicap was, at least in my opinion, at liberty to do so. otherwise, in the hypothetical situation that a 420 had been sailing with wings, where do people voice their opinions and whatnot?

I also see no reason why the RS was more of a pressing issue than the 420, up until the point when it was revealed that the 420 was in fact, a national 12... As an ex topper squad sailor, i have always expected to be treated just the same as any other sailor at an event.

As it is, it was just a case of boat mis-identification.
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Posts: 350 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 13 at 10:25pm
"To question the honesty of a young person" no one did this though. They just asked what advantage wings would give (if they had been fitted)

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[QUOTE=Dougaldog]

 

 
Firstly, the 420s. As well as sporting clearly illegal 'appendages', did the foils comform to the rules in all other ways, or were they profiled - which is a clear breach of the Class Rules. Now take this one stage further, what else on the boat contravened the Class Rules?
 
Were the sailors competing in these boats from one of the RYA Squads (let's face it, many of the 420 sailors are!) because then the question ought to be asked of the Squad leader if he intends condoning such actions. Is this really what the RYA is teaching our next generation of sailors?
 
My point I think.
 
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Finntastic, what on earth are you on about?
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Posts: 8956 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 10:27am
Originally posted by JimC

Finntastic, what on earth are you on about?


Finntastic has found a quote that supports the view that the guys in the 420's were accused of cheating.

Forums are full of people going off on one with only the slightest sliver of information on which to base their views*, but in this case I can see why the competitors (or their dads) might think it all rather OTT.

* Would be rather boring if we didn't, really


Edited by Rupert - 01 Feb 13 at 10:29am
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Posts: 350 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 10:41am
the text Fintastic quotes from dougaldog is just a set of speculative questions that, still does not question anyone's honesty 

tempted to say "calm down Mum" but probably shouldn't [joke, humour you know]  


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the same, but different...

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