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    Posted: 02 Jul 12 at 12:13pm
Well unless our wind instruments drastically under read we didn't see more that 20knts for most of the day it hovered around 18/19knts with the odd 10min at 25knts.

But my main point is that this decision made no sense, in my experience the sports boats tend to be far more experienced and far more prepared for this race than most in the cruiser classes. Also skippers are far more likely to call it off as they recognise the challenge this race is.

The American incidents can hardly be cited as a reason as they all involved boats that would still have been allowed to race. A large number of the cancelled classes continued round anyway and had a fantastic day, but there was no record of them being out there so if something had gone wrong it would have been a far more dangerous situation.
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we saw regular gusts of 28 knots on the back of the island at about 1030 off st cats
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I wouldn't trust gust numbers at all, in those waves with your masthead whipping around in the sea state there is no way their accurate. We had 20knts ish needles to st Cats, and the same from Bembridge to Cowes, so yea I saw some big numbers to down that leg but I dont think it was drastically windier. 
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How many of the sportsboat fleet can reef, compared to the rest of the competitors? If the forecast was for 30 kts, deciding not to put boats that can't reef/have tiny motors round the back of the island (no refuge) isn't too outrageous a decision. 

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The J/80 UKCA will be talking to the Island Sailing Club and the Principle Race Officer about the following items:
 
1) the consistency of the cancellation - other fleets such as the 1/4 tonners, J/24s and much smaller vessels with a lot lower stability factor were allowed to complete the race   
2) that there was no consultation between the PRO/ISC with a J/80 class representative prior to the decision to cancel
3) the ultimate decision to race which should rest upon the Skipper was removed by the PRO - no reasoning was given at time of cancellation
4) regarding safety and design - the J/80 and the class is proud that it conforms and excels to every standard required by the race organisers (in there own NOR and SI's) regarding safety, yet this wasn't acknowledged (see point 1)
 
As a class we fully support organisers of events (especially as we have just hosted a very successful World Championships in Dartmouth) and educate where necessary that the J/80 is a very capable "off-shore" boat, the Round The Island Race is an "off-shore" race of 53miles and crews prepare and train accordingly, the issue for us is that it appears a decision was made without the appropriate facts in place that they set-out and weren't consistant in the cancellation of the class. We await a reply from Island Sailing Club.

However...nice work by the Open 7.5 "Cool Runnings" on smashing out a new personal best and showing it to the Farr 45's...great work boys!! 
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Thanks for the pictures - what a great looking boat.
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My highlight on CR wasnt overtaking the farr 45s with the kite up, it was going past apollo the ker 40 like it was standing still on a two sail reach after bembridge.  They quickly got the position back after we headed up for a beat to the finish but the look on their faces in their fast reaching boat being burnt by a 25 footer was pretty funny! I think we were probably going about 30% quicker than them and they became a small black dot behind us very quickly at those speeds!
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gusts are taken care off by setting the damping settings on the raymarine kit,

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Any decision wouldn't have been made on what actually happened when you got there, but on actual conditions and forecast conditions at the time of the decision. Simon Keeling was forecasting 7s on friday. 

Good morning,

The high resolution winds are now in and cover the period throughout the race. You can see them here 
I'm pleased that I decided to increase winds speeds last night. Indications are that the flow will be brisk around the Island area throughout Saturday.

Showers or outbreaks of rain through the early hours as a trough and shallow low track east of the Island. The trough is going to be bringing an area of heavy showers or rain with it, and the risk of some thunderstorms. There is uncertainty as to the location of the trough with high resolution models placing it in different locations. However, worst case is that the trough will be through the Island with heavy and thundery rain, bringing the risk of thunderstorms for the start of the race. This should clear through the morning to sunny spells and isolated showers.

Winds SW top-end F4/low-end F5 at first, then increasing F5-F6 as you stick your nose into the western Solent, but mid-top-end F6 around the Needles, and possibly even touching F7 along the coasts of western and southern parts of the IOW. Remaining SW top-end F6 in the afternoon and nearer F7 close to the coasts of the southern IOW, SW F6 to the east of the Island. Then WSW-W F5-F6 entering the eastern Solent.

Sea state probably moderate in the Solent and most likely moderate to rough to the west and south of the Island.

Hopefully that's useful information.

Best wishes,
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The discussion of the weather though is separate from the fact that the decision makes no sense.

As GBR940 said, why ban J/80's when you let quarter tonners go round!

And the inaccuracies of forecasts is precisely why it should be left with the skippers to decide. It saves the organisers looking silly when the forecast hurricane never arrives. Do they seriously think that any J/80 owner who was out there that weekend hadn't seen a forecast? And yet they felt they knew more about the suitability of the conditions than the boats owners.
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