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    Posted: 26 Nov 10 at 12:00pm
Is the slowest S/H boat catered for really 1050? 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 10 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by Neptune

You don't have to have a 27m2 kite - surely thats just teh largest you are allowed under class rules...maybe something smaller/ flatter could be faster around a variable course!
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The P&B monster max (which is what most UK boats use) is at the maximum of the permisable rules, so i was only 1m2 out.  A smaller/flatter cut kite would undoubtably be quicker round a trapezoidal course, but would be a waste of money as at the champs and nearly all opens we run Triangle Sausage or W/L.  I am not spending £700 on a kite just for the GGP....
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Originally posted by Sprint Bob

Hi Russ
Yes I do have an email address but if I put it on here I stand a good chance of picking up spam. You can send me a message if you click on my name in the left hand column and the click on send a private message. We can take it from there.
 
The answer to your question is that you cannot sail windward/leeward in a 505 - the course are not optional. We are always interested in adapting the event to suit the classes so it would be worthwhile you conducting your survey and feeding us the results, which could possibly influence the format for next year. It would be also of interest if other non-asymmetric sailors of the same view also express it by posting your views here. Classes like Fireball, Merlin Rocket, Javelin, 470, are also on the trapezoidal course and might have a different point of view.
Anyway I look forward to hearing from you.
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Bob, i don't understand why you can not make a very small change??  I don't speak for any other member of the 5o5 fleet but we won't be attending the event and i doubt any others will if we can't race under our normally format. The 505 is nothing like a fireball, 470 etc. as the boat has developed to suit our championship format.  The fireball/merlin setup is designed to suit the trapezoidal style of course.  What difference does it actually make to the event?  Other then Bolster numbers if you let us race W/L!  it all seems a little short sighted to me.
 
Anyway, good luck with the event.  Unfortunately we won't now be attending. Ouch 
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It could be that if you have boats that can only reach into the leeward mark racing against boats that can run down to it, you end up with chaos and confusion, and possible insurance claims. It could also be that if the wind were light, the 505 could happily dead run down the course and win by miles.
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Originally posted by Rupert

It could be that if you have boats that can only reach into the leeward mark racing against boats that can run down to it, you end up with chaos and confusion, and possible insurance claims. It could also be that if the wind were light, the 505 could happily dead run down the course and win by miles.
But what about boats like the Alto that can swing its pole?  Surely the same argument can be made. In winds where the 505 dead runs, in my limited experience there is little in it anyway.  Its rare you see 505's with the pole pulled round and dead running as it pays to play the angles.  Let me reemphasise, with the current kite set up the 505 race Triangle Sausage.  We are gybing as much as most asymmetric.  Which would cause more grief with the standard fleet then with the Assy's
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Hi Bob,

Please can you clarify which course slower asymmetric dinghies will sail on?  

The RS100 rates at 1005 for the rig I sail, this is outside the parameters of your asymmetric fleet; but like Russ above, I've no interest in travelling for a trapezoid course.

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Hi James,
We had picked up on the issue of slower asymmetrics and a revised NOR is soon to be published.
Watch this space.
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Bob
This is the breakdown on the new NOR soon to be published.

Entry is open to all monohulls with PY 690 to 1150, (single handers to PY 1200) and to catamarans from PY640 to 1000. Note that

Challenger sails in the Single-hander fleet and not with Catamarans. There will be four starts as follows:

- Fast Asymmetrics (PY 720 to 1020), Fast Cats (PY 640 to 797) and Foiling Moths & FF600’s.

- Medium/Fast Handicap (PY 720 to 1020) and Medium Cats (PY 798 to 1000)

- Slow Handicap (PY 1021 - 1150)

- Single Handers (PY 980 - 1200)

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Originally posted by Rupert

Is the slowest S/H boat catered for really 1050? 
No the single handed range is 980-1200. For single handers that are faster than that they go on the other course.
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Not quite picked up all of the slower asymmetric. If Dan talks me into going we will either take the class recommended hit on handicap for the 3000 to get into the fast asymetrics or if not allowed to do this we are quite happy sailing a reach with the kite.
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Originally posted by Merlinboy

Originally posted by Sprint Bob

Hi Russ
 
The answer to your question is that you cannot sail windward/leeward in a 505 - the course are not optional. We are always interested in adapting the event to suit the classes so it would be worthwhile you conducting your survey and feeding us the results, which could possibly influence the format for next year. It would be also of interest if other non-asymmetric sailors of the same view also express it by posting your views here. Classes like Fireball, Merlin Rocket, Javelin, 470, are also on the trapezoidal course and might have a different point of view.
Anyway I look forward to hearing from you.
Cheers
Bob
Bob, i don't understand why you can not make a very small change??  I don't speak for any other member of the 5o5 fleet but we won't be attending the event and i doubt any others will if we can't race under our normally format. The 505 is nothing like a fireball, 470 etc. as the boat has developed to suit our championship format.  The fireball/merlin setup is designed to suit the trapezoidal style of course.  What difference does it actually make to the event?  Other then Bolster numbers if you let us race W/L!  it all seems a little short sighted to me.
 
Anyway, good luck with the event.  Unfortunately we won't now be attending. Ouch 
OK - sorry to hear that but understood. If this seems wrong to the other classes listed I'll be interested to hear from them. Thus far only the 505s have raised the issue.
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Bob,
The other classes don't have the same issues as the 505's.  They can race competitively on a Trapezoidal course!!!! 
 
Edit: not as sorry as i am as this will naff up the global warmup series for us!!!
 
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Edited by Merlinboy - 26 Nov 10 at 4:06pm
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