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    Posted: 21 Apr 10 at 10:04am
Originally posted by ColPrice2002

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Its *much* more complicated than that!! Nothing special happens exactly at the point of the Froudes law calculation, but this is the beginner's topic.

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Hi,

If you remember (?)  - a "displacement" hull has to push the water aside as it sails. There is a formula - max speed = 1.3 times square root of the waterline length. Note speed in knots, length in feet and 1.3 is a factor that changes depending on the hull shape in question.

So if you have a 16 ft boat (say a Wayfarer - for easy math!), max displacement speed is 1.3 x 4 = 5.2 knots.

In a heavy yacht, there is no way that you can go faster (unless surfing) so you would adjust the sail area to sail at 5.2 knots. A saining dinghy, however, can "climb" out of the water and skin on the water. At this point, the hull isn't trying to push water aside, so the drag force reduces significantly, and the boat will plane.

In a small dinghy, the transition can be dramatic (bow lifts out of the water, accelerates, "clean" wake). Just before planing, the dinghy will be making large bow & stern waves.

Often there will be a high bow wave - with spray - not solid. The exact details will vary depending on the hull sections.

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Originally posted by JimC


For a lot of people the point is where the wake goes smooth
and you get a wake line from the chines meeting somewhere
aft of the transom.


That sounds logical. I'll have a look out for them. Thanks.
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Originally posted by JimC

That doesn't help at all does it! Why do you want to know?

Just trying to get to grips with some sail trim issues (jib sheet tension mostly) and from what I've been reading there's a distinction between sub-planing and planing.

OK, for that then, what you need is to know what the author of the article regarded as sub planing speed! For a lot of people the point is where the wake goes smooth and you get a wake line from the chines meeting somewhere aft of the transom.

A powerboat racer, for instance, would regard planing as being a speed so high that there are only a tiny handful of dinghies capable of reaching it: in his terms most dinghies never get out of a semi-planing mode...
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Originally posted by JimC

That doesn't help at all does it! Why do you
want to know?


Just trying to get to grips with some sail trim issues (jib
sheet tension mostly) and from what I've been reading
there's a distinction between sub-planing and planing.

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Thought I read an interesting definition in my Tasar manual years ago which was based on the position of the bow wave relative to the hull where (and this is where it gets a bit hazy) fully planing is when you overtake the bow wave. Sounds wrong when I re-read it.

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I think its one of those questions where the more you know about it the more difficult it is to come up with an answer! The older (maybe even wiser, but I doubt it) I get the less I think I understand the difference between planing and not planing. I don't think there's a hard and fast definition and I'm very sure there's not a single point at which a boat is or isn't planing. Its more a question of a range during which a boat is partially planing...

That doesn't help at all does it! Why do you want to know?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 10 at 1:08pm
Daft question perhaps but how do you know when a boat is
planing?

I initially thought it was when it started to hum but I now
know that's more the result of a crap foil. Assuming
'quiet' foils what are the indications that boat has just
start to plane?
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