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    Posted: 05 Sep 09 at 7:23pm

I know some of your are very knowledgeable when it comes to all things dinghy and would love it if you could help me out. Basically as I just mentioned I am working on compiling the most up to date list of PY numbers I can find for as many classes as I can. I know some of you could put statto to shame so please could you cast an eye down the list and let me know of any classes that may be sailed at your clubs that I could have missed. If there are any please let me know with name of class, PY, number of crew, rig type and spinnaker type if possible.

Thanks for your help in advance. Heres the list:

2.4 1260
12 1093
18 957
405 1089
420 1087
470 973
505 902
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12 SQM SHARPIE 1018
12FT SKIFF 879
18FT SKIFF 685
29ER 924
29ER XX 850
49ER 747
59ER 904
ALBACORE 1066
ALTO 950
B14 880
BLAZE 1047
BOSS 847
BOSUN 1198
BRITISH MOTH 1173
BUZZ 1005
BYTE 1162
BYTE CII 1140
CADET 1432
CATAPULT 880
CHALLENGER 1180
CHERUB 930
CHERUB (PRE 05) 975
COMET 1173
COMET DUO 1175
COMET MINO 1193
COMET RACE 1040
COMET TRIO 1086
COMET XTRA 1173
CONTENDER 993
DART 15 (1 SAIL) 916
DART 15 (2 SAILS) 883
DART 16 850
DART 18 798
DART HAWK 689
ENTERPRISE 1116
EUROPE 1139
FINN 1066
FIREBALL 982
FIREFLY 1162
FLEETWIND 1268
FLYING DUTCHMAN 879
FLYING FIFTEEN 1025
FLYING FIFTEEN (CLASSIC) 1051
FLYING FIFTEEN (SILVER) 1039
GP14 1127
GRADUATE 1167
GULL 1363
GULL CALYPSO 1361
HARRIER 1100
HERON 1346
HOBIE 16 802
HOBIE TIGER 689
HORNET 973
HURRICANE 5.9 691
HURRICANE 5.9 (ASYMM) 681
INT CANOE (ASYMM) 873
INT CANOE (O/D) 905
INT MOTH (FOILING) 798
INT MOTH (NON-FOILING) 980
INTERNATIONAL 14 850
INTERNATIONAL 14 (+T-FOIL) 775
INTERNATIONAL CANOE (DEV) 889
ISO 926
JAVELIN 926
KESTREL 1038
LAPWING 1320
LARK 1073
LASER 1078
LASER 13 1135
LASER 16 1066
LASER 2000 1089
LASER 2000 (D/H NO SPIN) 1120
LASER 3000 1032
LASER 3000 (S/H) 1015
LASER 4.7 1175
LASER 4000 908
LASER 5000 846
LASER BAHIA 1079
LASER EPS 1013
LASER II 1035
LASER PICO (D/H 2 SAIL) 1264
LASER PICO (S/H RACE) 1258
LASER PICO (S/H STD) 1260
LASER PICO RACE 1258
LASER RADIAL 1101
LASER STRATOS 1084
LASER VAGO SD (D/H) 1085
LASER VAGO SD (S/H) 1100
LASER VAGO XD (D/H) 1060
LASER VAGO XD (S/H) 1070
LASER VORTEX 960
LASER VORTEX (ASYMM) 937
LEADER 1115
LIGHTNING 368 1150
MERLIN-ROCKET 1014
MIRACLE 1178
MIRROR 1386
MIRROR (S/H NO SPIN) 1372
MIRROR (S/H WITH SPIN) 1365
MUSTO SKIFF 875
MX RAY 1020
NATIONAL 12 1092
NATIONAL 18 955
NORFOLK PUNT 886
OK 1110
OPTIMIST 1646
OSPREY 940
OTTER 1275
PACER 1193
PHANTOM 1043
REDWING 1094
ROOSTER 8.1 1051
RS 200 1059
RS 300 1000
RS 400 952
RS 500 965
RS 600 920
RS 600 (FOILING) 800
RS 700 857
RS 800 822
RS ELITE  1020
RS FEVA (D/H ASYMM) 1240
RS FEVA (S/H) 1280
RS FEVA XL (D/H ASYMM) 1189
RS K6 920
RS Q'BA (PRO) 1220
RS Q'BA (SPORT) 1260
RS TERA (PRO) 1390
RS TERA (SPORT) 1450
RS VAREO 1038
RS VISION S 1080
RS VISION XL 1078
SCORPION 1056
SEAFLY 1087
SIGNET 1265
SNIPE 1117
SOLO 1155
SOLUTION 1070
SPICE 930
SPITFIRE 712
SPLASH 1184
SQUIB 1108
STREAKER 1162
SUPERNOVA 1062
TASAR 1023
TEMPEST 942
THAMES A RATER 875
TOPAZ 14C (CAT) 1240
TOPAZ 14CX (CAT) 1200
TOPAZ 14S (CAT) 1255
TOPAZ 14XTREME (CAT) 1175
TOPAZ 16CX (CAT) 840
TOPAZ DUO 1190
TOPAZ MAGNO 1175
TOPAZ OMEGA 1075
TOPAZ UNO (D/H RACE) 1207
TOPAZ UNO (S/H 1 SAIL) 1212
TOPAZ VIBE 1185
TOPPER 1290
TOPPER SPORT 14 1055
TOPPER TAZ (D/H 2 SAIL) 1500
TOPPER TAZ (S/H 1 RACE SAIL) 1550
TOPPER TAZ (S/H 1 SAIL) 1600
TOPPER XENON 1070
WANDERER 1132
WAYFARER 1099
WEST ELEVEN ?
YW DAYBOAT 1200
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You might want to add Topper 4.2, for which we use 1320, based on "something someone read somewhere on t'internet!"
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our club uses 1088 for the Laser
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Thanks guys, Asterix, i've tried to keep the list using published PY numbers, and not modified club numbers where possible. I used the following sources in this order, 1) RYA (back records found on internet where possible with 2009 being most important working backwards), 2) Manufacturers (LDC for example helped with info for all of the Q'ba/feva variants), 3) Class associations (e.g. Solution where the class is too new for any number to be produced), 4) Web based resources as a last resort such as the noble database you guys mentioned earlier.
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I have found the 11 Plus at 115 in the old style PY.  Can this be converted to the new style?  I'd also be interested to know what the Bonito converts to: it had a PY of 106.

I think there's a recognised separate PY for a classic Phantom, but I'm not sure what it is.

Still no sign of a West Eleven.
the same, but different...

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Weren't the existing PYs more or less multiplied by ten, then fiddled a bit, when the change was made?
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Yep, suppose that would be a good place to start Al. The PY number is a ratio, hence it should work out the same, whether the race is 100 minutes long, or 1000 seconds long shouldnt it, or have I got that wrong?
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Originally posted by alstorer

Weren't the existing PYs more or less multiplied by ten, then fiddled a bit, when the change was made?

No, not quite. There are in fact two lots of old numbers. In 1977 the average change was x1.2 and in 1996 it was x9.46. The Plus works out at 1303 in modern numbers. If the Bonito was 106 pre '77 that would be 1193. The West 11 is probably much the same speed as a Mirror - it was slower then the Plus for sure. I have a vague memory that the standard rig Harrier was the same as a Laser.

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Thanks Jim. I'll add them in as "best guess"...
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There is also the new Alto single trapeze dinghy with a swinging pole on an asymmetric. PY about 950 but ask P&B or mike@altoboats.com

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