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    Posted: 13 Sep 08 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by Doug.H

I think for this situation the L/V3000 is actually a
damn good idea. I'm sure
it wont be much effort getting a test sail.

Don't waste your money on a vago.


I'd also agree. I've actually had the experience you would get if you
contemplated either the RS700 or MPS, both of which have been tried and
dropped by lots of sailors far more experienced than you or I.

I restored my confidence and went on to 'get the bug' with an L3000, a
couple of lads I then sold it on to and who have since bought the V3000
in a relatively short time have now become regular winning club racers as
well, with even greater future aspirations.

You can learn all the basics, plus single hand trapezing, it's a spirited
little boat, especially in a breeze and not unlike the L2000 you're familiar
with. Not the most competitive boat in its L version in light winds, but
that's the time to single hand it.
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Hi

Thanks for all the replies. I don't think I'm up to something as extreme as
an RS700 - if nothing else, family commitments mean I don't have that
much time dedicate to sailing, so I want something relatively easy.

The Vareo is still an option, but only if I kept the L2000 as well. This is a
possibility but there are obvious advantages in not having an extra boat
(cost, storage, insurance etc).

The V3000 looks interesting. How does it perform as a single-hander?
Are there issues in buying a little-known boat from a small
manufacturer?

Why so much negative talk about the Vago? I wouldn't have thought Laser
would develop a bad boat.

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What is the RS500 like single handed?
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i think you would need to be fairly large to keep it flat, and i suspect the jib and kite layouts would be significantly less than ideal for single handing.
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Originally posted by m_liddell

What is the RS500 like single handed?

horribly balanced without the jib on, kite halyard etc are right at the front so its really not ideal. anyway, why get a 500 when he could get a vareo for much less money?
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We followed a vago on a trailor on the way to the Island race, couldn't for
the life of me work out what it was. It looked exactly what we wanted,
single trapeze, retracting plate, nice size big enough to take our weight,
bigger than the RS500, I had to ask them what it was.

Then they told me and I lost interest straight away.

Why is that? The polyethylene would make it ideal for the ravages of our
shingle beach.

Well the reason is simply weight, they're too damn heavy.

Not so heavy not to beat us on handicap in the race it transpired so it
can't be that bad.

So the answer is 'perception' some people have a bad perception of boats
built out of polyethylene, myself included.

But i bet those guys enjoyed their race every bit as much as we did, so
what the heck?

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Originally posted by m_liddell

What is the RS500 like single handed?


Not nice. Maybe with the standard rig, but not with the XL.

The V3000 would be better imho.
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At 69kg the Vago doesn't seem overly heavy compared to similar GRP boats.
I have to admit, though, the plastic doesn't look good compared to GRP. But
then people used to say that about GRP compared to wood...
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i have sailed a vago once in about a force5 at plas menai with wind against a 4knot tide. needless to say it was huge fun but at some points when wave jumping it did feel a bit floppy. personally wouldnt have on because i prefer the 'on the edge' feeling. but they are good tough boats with pretty reasonable performance....
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Quite a few 3000 owners enjoy sailing their boats singlehanded. Read about it on five pages of the 3000 forum, here:

http://www.3000class.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=217

If you want a demo in a 3000, e-mail info@3000class.org.uk and we'll sort something out for you..
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