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tgruitt
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Topic: GNAV v's KickerPosted: 11 Sep 08 at 3:40pm |
Just to correct you, that's the boom the temple vang is on in that picture not the mast. Its on the mast end and points downwards. It is then pulled in towards the front bulkhead with a pully system, they are great for crews, and pretty powerful too, just need to make sure they are very very strong! |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 11 Sep 08 at 3:54pm |
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Woah steady..
You've got the irish man in the dustbin, slow down on the telling him to pee in the corner.. Full width cockpit traveller? Pickies? What boat would have one of those. What exactly travels on it, all my ropey bits hang off the back of the boom. I'm sort of visualising the temple vang so does the bit stick in front og the mast would it not intefere with my self tacking jib? |
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tgruitt
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Posted: 11 Sep 08 at 4:01pm |
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If someone can tell me how to put a picture here on a mac, I have a great pic
which explains all! Edited by tgruitt |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 11 Sep 08 at 4:25pm |
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You need to get the shot uploaded onto another site then post a link. In
that image box, I dont expect this programme will upload stuff from a mac desktop. If it's a long link, see the little arrow in the bottom right corner of the box you type in drag that to the right so there is no line break in the image formula. If that fails email it to me I'll bung it up for you. This forumware isn't that Mac friendly but there's usually a work around. Edit: Thanks Chewbacca I get it now... Edited by G.R.F. |
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Posted: 11 Sep 08 at 7:24pm |
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craiggo
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Posted: 11 Sep 08 at 7:42pm |
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Thanks for correcting me Tom, I assumed that the pic was the mast stump as it didnt look very long.
The arrangement I mentioned was however used in the Scorpion. Regarding full width travellers, you only tend to see them on cats and in monohull singlehanders such as the OK, but if the boat is beamy enough it could work in a doublehander. In fact if my memory is correct didnt early 420s and 470s have a traveller ? |
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 11 Sep 08 at 8:54pm |
Agreed, Mike, up to the point where you say "the gnav would induce less bend". With a conventional kicker you can use a ram or lower shrouds to effectively lock the gooseneck in position, so that the only effect of the kicker is to apply leach tension. With a gnav, sure you can lock the position of the attachment point of the gnav on the mast in a similar manner, but to prevent bend you also need a system to stop the gooseneck moving aft, inducing bend. Some sort of puller or second ram at gooseneck level would do it, but I've yet to see it, and do you really want two arrangements to manage? On the 3000, the gnav brings big benefits in terms of crew space - especially welcome in light airs - but it comes second to a conventional kicker in terms of mast bend control, imho. I'd actually already considered using the composite kicker-gnav system proposed by GRF, which could be rigged such as to remove the aft pull at the gooseneck and the attendant bend (effectively you'd be pulling the gnav slider from the heel of the mast instead of from the gooseneck). Use the combo in a blow when mast bend control is critical and remove the kicker in light airs when space is more important. But so far, it's seemed like to much faff - deficiencies in my sailing are far more significant than any minor gains achieved, but for top sailors maybe something to consider. |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 11 Sep 08 at 10:02pm |
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I'm not a top sailor by any stretch of the imagination, but I do know what i
want out of a sail in any given wind condition, and the only way I can see that occurring, without having on the fly mast bend and rake control like we have on racing sailboards, is to have both options. Some times I might want tight leech fat belly and not worried about a little steeper entry and other times I might want the sail flattened, fine entry tight low end, twist up top, it just makes me feel better if the sail looks right. I have noticed this mast ram thing on old five ohs and wondered if that were sited directly in opposition to the Gnav, but then I'd be worried about crushing the mast with opposing forces. There's a lot of food for thought here and it's encouraging to read others may be having 2nd GNAV thoughts also. No joy with any pics of something with a cockpit wide traveller? Interesting discussion though.. |
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Posted: 11 Sep 08 at 10:12pm |
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mast rams appear on fireballs as well as 5ohs and the main reason is instead of chocks to stop the bottom of the mast moving a lot of the newer fireballs have gone for chocks again and a puller for down wind to stop the mast inverting. as for GNAVs they bend masts lots, but so will kicker usually the difference with gnavs is that they are loading the mast above the goosneck at one single point theis is usually supported by lowers the the same point the gnav hits the mast as on the laser 4000, either way works but i prfer kicking as it provides entertainment when the crew goes full on into it during high speed wire to wire tacks |
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