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Chris_H 
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 Topic: AC36 is over.Posted: 19 Mar 21 at 7:06am |
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It is confirmed. RYS with Ineos Team UK are the next Challenger of Record for AC37. The boats will be the AC75 for the next 2 cup cycles. Only 1 new AC75 may be built per team. There is a Nationality rule also.
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ClubRacer
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Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 5:52pm |
Definitely. The foils were in my opinion the biggest difference in performance between the 2 boats with one being better in the light and the other in the breeze. Standardising them would be criminal to this being a "development class" I feel something needs to be changed to ensure you don't have to lock your foils in before the regatta, give them freedom to change depending on wind conditions. This will even the racing up massively but may increase costs on development. I fear though changing them over isn't a quick process like it was on the old cats
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Chris_H
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Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 10:00am |
If foil development had reached maturity, I would agree that a one-design would help on costs. However, I believe they are still a long way on the development curve. The difference in foils between this cup and the last is quite big and may well be big again next time. Its good to see how these paths work out.
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ohFFsake
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Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 9:56am |
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I still think the foils and mechanism should be a fixed package. There are still plenty of other areas where development can take place.
The issue with foils seems to be that they are massively expensive to design and develop and have long production lead times, so teams have to commit to fundamental decisions early in the campaign based on assumptions about factors like venue weather conditions. It seems clear that this time LR optimised for light airs, ETNZ optimised for breeze and they were both largely stuck with those choices. I think we got lucky in that the boats ended up fairly well matched, it could just as easily have turned out as LR winning by a country mile in the light days and the opposite when (if) the breeze came in, with only the occasional "crossover" day yielding a match. As things are there still seems potential for this to happen next time around, and in a match race format we'd have better racing if the foils were like a "control tyre" in motor racing. |
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Mozzy
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Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 9:41am |
Foil cant, rudder, pitch, heart rates, heading, course (leeway) are all shared publicly. It's been pretty open data wise. All down to 20hz. I think one design ruins the build up, nothing to really talk about, and makes all the boat look the same with no identity. This time there were large visual differences between sails, hulls and foils and even the way the teams crewed the boats that could be discussed. I also don't think development is off putting. The risk of the the whole concept failing and initial design cost and development for a new class is. But next cup other teams will know the class and design is proven. And they can just pinch a lot of the design off this cup. Back when the AC had lots of challengers, realistically only about 3 or 4 tops were doing it to win. That's the same as this cup. But other teams will pitch up if they can compete in the same arena. Bermuda we had ETNZ, BAR and Artemis as serious challengers.
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ohFFsake
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Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 9:24am |
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If they do have a "hype race" around the IOW they could always have a second start 10 minutes later and invite all the J class yachts to race round after them
Plot twist: Breeze drops below 8kts and the J's overtake them... |
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Rupert
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Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 8:17am |
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I admit, I was more impressed by these boats than I thought I would be, if only because the foils gave them small turning circles compared to either a cat or a long monohull. But the 2 minute highlights were enough to watch for me.
How about replicas of the original boats for the next one, all of them, plus allowing America to cheat again? Not that she needed to, given her speed advantage. |
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423zero
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Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 7:06am |
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Cats next time, get rid of these annoying, nodding, three legged dogs.
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tink
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Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 6:58am |
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You not going to get more teams when the development is so expensive and speed difference can be so great if they’re not sailing in their ideal conditions. They need to be brought more one design and share data (like sail GP) if they’re going to attract more teams.
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Tink
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rich96
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Posted: 18 Mar 21 at 6:06am |
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Think LR could consider themselves unlucky not to have got to 5-5 at one point - a dodgy tack in no breeze and one shift lost then 2 races
Interesting if it comes to a neutral venue - it would probably generate far more interest from challengers and viewers Got to feel for the people in NZ who were hoping for 10 teams and all that goes with it. With only 3 challengers the amount of sailing to watch was fairly pitiful Not sure there's anywhere in the UK suitable for these boats - far to choppy. The GP cats struggled in the Solent at times All in all, bearing in mind the complexity of these boats, I'm still amazed that races were competitive |
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