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    Posted: 10 Dec 18 at 1:36pm
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Originally posted by PeterG

I like it! Now who is going to be the one to tell GRF after he's won a handicap race - "sorry - the handicap committee says you only get 60% of first place"


It wouldn't worry me as long as I won over the water.

What annoys me is the destruction of a group of us wednesday afternoon racers that used to race pretty much scratch when the solution and the laser were the same ( Was a couple of years ago now)then miraculously their boats all got slower and mine got faster yet none of us even bought so much as a new sail. 

Personally I'd go with Lasers always equal 60 then everyone else gets timed around them. Nor would it be difficult to actually trial and fix. Boat on boat year on year, you could even bring in wind bands over a period if it was desired. 


why not ignore the rya yearly change and fix your numbers to the ones your'e apparently confident of?
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I like it! Now who is going to be the one to tell GRF after he's won a handicap race - "sorry - the handicap committee says you only get 60% of first place"


It wouldn't worry me as long as I won over the water.

What annoys me is the destruction of a group of us wednesday afternoon racers that used to race pretty much scratch when the solution and the laser were the same ( Was a couple of years ago now)then miraculously their boats all got slower and mine got faster yet none of us even bought so much as a new sail. 

Personally I'd go with Lasers always equal 60 then everyone else gets timed around them. Nor would it be difficult to actually trial and fix. Boat on boat year on year, you could even bring in wind bands over a period if it was desired. 

<span style="color: rgb0, 0, 204;">why not ignore the rya yearly change and fix your numbers to the ones your'e apparently confident of?</span>


Apart from the usual club politics, the Laserati, just to quote Corporal Jones, 'don't like it up em' and will seize on every little advantage, it comes from having to sail such a crap boat..
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Originally posted by Oli

perhaps race timers should only count to to the nearest ten seconds or perhaps not even show seconds? 

Back in the late '60s my dad built a race timer for out club using GPO surplus relays and a 'bomber clock' timer. It ran the start sequence and then counted up in minutes and 1/10ths of minutes. Then he worked out the corrected times on his slide rule.
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Originally posted by Oli

perhaps race timers should only count to to the nearest ten seconds or perhaps not even show seconds? 

Back in the late '60s my dad built a race timer for out club using GPO surplus relays and a 'bomber clock' timer. It ran the start sequence and then counted up in minutes and 1/10ths of minutes. Then he worked out the corrected times on his slide rule.

seems your problem is with your fellow club sailors, better get that party rosette out and knocking on doors to change the peoples minds.....
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Originally posted by Oli

perhaps race timers should only count to to the nearest ten seconds or perhaps not even show seconds? 

Back in the late '60s my dad built a race timer for out club using GPO surplus relays and a 'bomber clock' timer. It ran the start sequence and then counted up in minutes and 1/10ths of minutes. Then he worked out the corrected times on his slide rule.

awesome!
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Originally posted by Oli

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perhaps race timers should only count to to the nearest ten seconds or perhaps not even show seconds? 

Back in the late '60s my dad built a race timer for out club using GPO surplus relays and a 'bomber clock' timer. It ran the start sequence and then counted up in minutes and 1/10ths of minutes. Then he worked out the corrected times on his slide rule.

awesome!

It was an awesome bit of kit, it lit/extinguished the lights, hooted the hooter and timed the race and it was entirely electro-mechanical with not a semiconductor in sight. I don't know why he elected for 1/10ths of a minute as the 'bomber clock' had a resolution of half a second but he reckoned it was virtually as accurate as the normal practice of correcting the minutes and adding the seconds on (we used Langstone Tables which were not unlike your school log tables for those who can remember them) and much quicker to calculate.

Oh and it ran of a 12V car battery as we didn't have power to the start box.


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why not ignore the rya yearly change and fix your numbers to the ones your'e apparently confident of?

I think that is what the RYA encourage anyway for 'local' use ..... and is just what the 'Great Lakes' numbers are about really.   Not that either alternative will please some people of course !!  ("Not invented here" etc ...)    LOL
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LLSC adjust the PN for popular (at the club) classes in accordance with the RYA recommendations but they readjust them twice a year.
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Sam sounds like a proper bit of kit, is it gathering dust somewhere? Would be cool to have it on display or In use somewhere.

Citrus that is what the RYA prescribe, adjust locally can also mean don’t move to the new numbers. Why people get so upset is beyond me, especially when they only class it as competitive cruising or the like.
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Originally posted by Oli

Sam sounds like a proper bit of kit, is it gathering dust somewhere? Would be cool to have it on display or In use somewhere.

I was thinking exactly that myself but it is, sadly, lost in the mists of time. You have set me thinking though, I may ask a mate who is still involved in that club just in case as I'm sure my dad left it with them when he moved on.......
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