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    Posted: 24 Jul 18 at 9:37pm
They should have made the fireball assymm years ago, with that nose it could also have a fabulous swinging pole, imagine what one would be like fully down to weight, sandwich construction, carbon rig and mast head assym kite on a long swinging pole, it would absolutely rock.
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Looks a very small kite.
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Originally posted by iGRF

They should have made the fireball assymm years ago, with that nose it could also have a fabulous swinging pole, imagine what one would be like fully down to weight, sandwich construction, carbon rig and mast head assym kite on a long swinging pole, it would absolutely rock.

I'm imagining it, and it's now too fast to sail at half the venues fireballs are popular at. 

Plus, swinging sprits, really? If anything is a relic of the past, it's swinging poles. 

I don't think the low turnout is anything to do with boat, as it's far to sudden a drop from the previous years. It must be circumstantial, which is why I asked because I couldn't see any obvious reason why this year they would get such a low entry. 

Most probbaly a mixture of the reasons already mentioned.

Plus, I saw their worlds include a pre-world french nationals and lay day, so the best part of two weeks off work once you factor travel. 




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92 Entries for the worlds - Looks like a pretty great turn out there! 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 18 at 9:52am
Originally posted by mozzy



it's now too fast to sail at half the venues fireballs are popular at. 


Ha I could just imagine you telling some Escort Mexico driving fireball owner from the past that one day some snowflake would think his Fireball was too fast. And the only people who think swinging sprits are a relic of the past? They never learned to use one to good effect or drove a boat with one with a wide angle.

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Originally posted by iGRF

They should have made the fireball assymm years ago

someone tried it, it sucked...  
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Originally posted by iGRF

They should have made the fireball assymm years ago

someone tried it, it sucked...  


Well they didn't do it properly then. No good letting sym sailors try to design assyms, would be like using a windsurfer to design SUPS..

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Fireballs already have a swinging pole that works through a wide angle, far greater than any contraption mounted below the forestry... having a symmetric kite means they never need to gybe it. It's pulling non-stop from the moment it's set, to the moment it's dowsed. 

The symmetric is absolutely ideal for enclosed waters, and it's probably the reason the fireball has held a niche as a trapeze boat that can be sailed at tight venues. 

Putting an assy on a swinging sprit is counterproductive for obvious reasons. 

Plus, snowflake? A term once used as a put down to the easily offended youth, now reused by the elderly who find themselves low on wit and confronted with a counter views.  
 
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Yes - there seem to be a lot more Fireballs around than any other medium sized two man trapeze boat - fairly healthy generally

They are fairly useful in most breezes and acre indeed one of the few trapeze boats that can be sailed at smaller venues

Messing about with an asymmetric would certainly kill it off - if you wanted an asymmetric why would you simply not go for a boat that was designed with it already ?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 18 at 11:16am
Originally posted by iGRF

No good letting sym sailors try to design assyms, would be like using a windsurfer to design SUPS..

doh.

The guys who design the best assy boats also sailed and sailed sym boats.
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