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    Posted: 27 Feb 17 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by RS400atC

 
Why are we entitled to handouts for training boats?
Why should we expect other people to subsidise our facilities?

what's good enough for Ben, is good enough for all???

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-approves-75-million-for-sir-ben-ainslie-project-to-boost-portsmouth




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It's not about entitlement, but if UK plc wants to encourage an active lifestyle, for general public health and/or pathways to medals reasons then the gov't is handing out our taxes to NGO's such as RYA, FA, RFU, UK Athletics, Cycling, and others (incl dance for all I know). Given that there is a pot of money there then we as a sailing community should ensure it is spent in support and furtherance of our sport.
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Originally posted by Noah

Given that there is a pot of money there then we as a sailing community should ensure it is spent in support and furtherance of our sport.

pragmatic approach - on the basis the Government are going to waste it on something, it might as well be wasted on a sport for the relatively privileged.  
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That's a cynical view James.Whilst it is fair to say that the majority are likely to be middle class (whatever that means) with a reasonable disposable income, I spend less on sailing than someone of whom I know spends on just watching football.

Also, there are clubs around - one near here for starters - which make the effort to show 'disadvantaged' kids what dinghy sailing is about. That takes cold, hard cash to provide equipment to appease the 'Elf n Safety brigade with appropriate kit - not loaned or hand-me-downs, in addition to the small army of volunteers who give of their time. No doubt sailing is not unique in this respect, but any incoming grant cash is not only going to support those who arguably don't need it.
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Originally posted by Noah



Also, there are clubs around - one near here for starters - which make the effort to show 'disadvantaged' kids what dinghy sailing is about. 

And this is going to seem even more cynical.... but really, what's the point in that, other than to tick a box on their lottery funding grant application?  It's not actually sustainable- we all know that current 'group think' would suggest you ain't part of the club until you step up to boat ownership.  So how long is someone with financial restriction going to participate before they find another distraction or something else to compete for their time and money?   

And you could argue it's not aspirational either.  After all showing something to someone with limited means to continue might just breed resentment- thus reinforcing the very stereotype which such endeavour was meant to breakdown?      


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The point, surely, is that a (perhaps tiny) percentage might decide they want more and put some effort in to achieving it, whether by working hard at a job to earn money, or academically to have the freedom of choice later. Entry costs are not necessarily high - I think a large number of non-owners of two-person boats have little or no financial input. And, as I think you have said, an old L@ser can be bought for (almost) pennies.
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Originally posted by Noah

The point, surely, is that a (perhaps tiny) percentage might decide they want more and put some effort in to achieving it, whether by working hard at a job to earn money, or academically to have the freedom of choice later. Entry costs are not necessarily high - I think a large number of non-owners of two-person boats have little or no financial input. And, as I think you have said, an old L@ser can be bought for (almost) pennies.

Well that's the trade off isn't it?  Yes, you might get one or two who stick with it long enough to bring a warm fuzzy feeling in the stomachs of those who set about with the right intentions.... but for the other 98%, they potentially go out there and perpetuate the myth that dinghy sailing is elitist and expensive....  my own view is that sailing would be better off accepting it's not for everyone and stop trying so damn hard.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

And this is going to seem even more cynical.... 


that bit is correct   Wink


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Originally posted by turnturtle

my own view is that sailing would be better off accepting it's not for everyone and stop trying so damn hard.

But how are you going to find the ones who enjoy sailing and will stick with it, without trying to give as many people a go as possible? Sure, many people will try it, and decide it's not for them. But excluding certain groups from the outset because they are not the kind of people who are typically the sailing kind of people (ie white middle class and above) is not the right approach.

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