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    Posted: 04 Nov 16 at 1:29pm
Surely many major suggested 'multi-class' events are already there ....  Summer sailing weeks around the coast are a fixture for many, winter 'Sailjuice' events and a multitude of mult-class 'one-offs' such as the Starcross Steamer, IOS Sheppey race, Paignton POSH (singlehanders only)... You name it - there are many many others....

These are already very well attended.  However you will never know how good they are if you don't go to any of them  Wink  .... just like for the purists 'single class' ones I guess.   At many of the multi-class events it is relatively normal for individal classes with good numbers to be officially separated out for a class result ... or by the individual CA's on a less official basis.

It really is all there already - just use the existing organisation and event frameworks already in place nationally, regionally or whatever.   But do a bit of research maybe - and turn up at a few  this winter !
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IOS was way down this year in spite of a reasonable forecast. Which is a shame because as Cirrus says it's a rather special experience. It's about an hour and a half away for me and that's as far as I would travel for a one day event. 2 day events are a no no because I very rarely get a whole weekend free of other stuff. The rest of the family don't sail and I want to spend some time with them. With parents kids and grandkids there's 9 of them, all live within 10 minutes 

Weather forecasts are undoubtedly one factor, for me there would be others.



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Forecasts ?  Surely you don't really rely on them by now ?  'good' ones or 'not so good' ones.   IOS 2016 was in fact rather windy .... (many of us got round about 1 hour faster than normal !!)  Given the sheer distance involved you must surely expect many junior and club sailors to have opted out on the day - as they did.   This is highly sensible as the event can be unusally demanding in real breeze and the course is pretty exposed.  However it is  a very good general example of a multi-class stand-alone event open to all including Cats etc.

For those who cannot travel or commmit for family reasons etc any sort of even regional, let along National series is not really going to work anyway.   


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I dunno - inking the diary a long way in advance is quite common for other sports - especially Golf, Cycling and even Windsurfing if you count NWF or Weymouth Speed Week.

I think clubs and classes are damned if they, damned if they don't, when it comes to binning off events last minute.
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If I wanted to travel to lots of events, I'd buy a boat with more events in places I wanted to go to.That probably means a Merlin.
Another thing that's possibly happening is that people who are looking for a high level of competition as often as possible are now sailing in several classes.
Why do an open when you can do a Nationals or an Inlands ?
That may mean there aren't so many people to do an open every other week?

And at the other extreme, are more people going to Europe more often?

Then again,do we have more classes? Or at least more 'serious' classes? Are we spread too thin now there are new boats coming out and the late 90s SMOD classes mostly refusing to roll over and die?

In the dark ages we had Merlins, Fireballs, Ents, 505, GP14, Scorpion plus a few others? as serious 2 man circuit classes. Are there more or less circuits of opens now? Compared to when exactly...?
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I think perhaps that the now well trodden youth path (Oppie/Laser/29er)has probably drained new blood away from the "adult" classes. And perhaps because you can only do so-well within those specific classes, and perhaps failing to reach their aspirational targets amongst their peers, young people move away from sailing altogether into other sports and pastimes.
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There were far more "serious" classes in the 70s. Sadly, many have faded, and many of the boats which supposedly replaced them turned out to be a bit rubbish unless planing, and failed.
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Originally posted by Rupert

There were far more "serious" classes in the 70s. Sadly, many have faded, and many of the boats which supposedly replaced them turned out to be a bit rubbish unless planing, and failed.

There were a lot of classes, but how many actually had a full-on traveller's circuit?
It could be the 70s is too harsh a comparison, maybe the 80s is more realistic?
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I had a look at the attendance tables for this century and there are some interesting stats.

If you take the totals of all attendances, they peaked in 2011, with 7496
This year gone is the lowest this century with 5653 maybe they're not all in yet but it's still pretty drastic.
It's 17% below average attendance (6871) over the period and nearly 25% below the 2011 peak.

So what happened after 2011? 2011 was still deep in the recession fuel costs were higher then, the Olympics came and went could it have been that?

Interesting the Phantom class almost parallels, could it have been 2011 when they really started f**king about with the handicaps?

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Originally posted by iGRF

I had a look at the attendance tables for this century and there are some interesting stats.

If you take the totals of all attendances, they peaked in 2011, with 7496
This year gone is the lowest this century with 5653 maybe they're not all in yet but it's still pretty drastic.
It's 17% below average attendance (6871) over the period and nearly 25% below the 2011 peak.

So what happened after 2011? 2011 was still deep in the recession fuel costs were higher then, the Olympics came and went could it have been that?

Interesting the Phantom class almost parallels, could it have been 2011 when they really started f**king about with the handicaps?

Attendances at what?

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