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    Posted: 03 Jul 15 at 8:44am
Surprised they didn't make the full size rig the same as the 'normal' moth (circa 8.25m2), seems that the rest would make it class legal.
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Originally posted by blueboy

Says the price includes delivery actually.

landed prices contain two elements - the shipping (not necessarily including domestic carriage, insurance, port fees and demurrage) and then the import duty paid to, in our case, HMRC.  

 I'd want the incoterms defined before contemplating importing them... and that's assuming you think you can flog enough when they're competing with tweaked and tuned nearly new moths suitably depreciated by the AC mob and paid brigade in Weymouth.


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Posts: 1314 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 15 at 10:26am
did anyone watch the video; the designer was indicating that there's £100,000 moths out there

I realise that there will be alot of development cost in that, but even so
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Originally posted by Phil_1193

Originally posted by fish n ships


What made me take a look was the concept that it would allow 40-100kg to foil using three rig sizes.   However looking at the rig sizes (5.5/6.6/7.7), I'm not convinced that unless its really windy a 100kg sailor would foil using a 7.7m2 sail on an unstayed mast?  Thats only a little more than a standard laser sail and around 75-80% the area of my Phantom sail. 



Camber induced windsurf sail, which is what this appears to have, is far more efficient than a Phantom sail.

Also if the weight is anywhere near the current foiling moth - circa 35kg all up iirc - then it will easily get 100kg on the foils with a 7.7m2 rig. I'm guessing the wishbone boom arrangement will add stabilty to the rig as well

Doubt it would foil sub 10knts but, given enough wind, it will happen LOL




These are about 45kg I think.
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As someone who has spent a lot of time using camber induced windsurfer sails (and has had the luck to be able to talk to AMAC and other sail designers) IMHO it could perhaps be said that they are more efficient for a low drag high apparent craft.  A windsurfer-style sail on a dinghy doesn't normally generate the extra lift that is needed to drive the bigger hull of a dinghy, and the lower drag of the windsurfer sail is not as important on dinghies.
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... and sometimes it's just easier to get a rotational sail going a bit earlier than the cambered ones.  Although I'd admit cams do help with planing through lulls.  

I've more of less quit using my 7.3 and 8.4 triple cam sails now... a 7.8 rotational covers both.
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Originally posted by johnreekie1980


The non one design and typical 3-4 grand running costs of a international moth campaign don't really do it for me. 

You spend what you want. Last competitive season I did cost of £700 for a new sail and some bits of string - got a few podiums too.
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Originally posted by Neptune

Surprised they didn't make the full size rig the same as the 'normal' moth (circa 8.25m2), seems that the rest would make it class legal.

It's still class legal with a smaller sail...
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I guess looking at the Launch Video 'cut'... Launching isn't as seamless as the design team would have you believe. Which begs the question, why?
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