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    Posted: 24 Jun 15 at 10:41am
.....didn't this happen to another inland club a couple of years ago, forced out by a landlord?
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Taken at face value, I have to agree with everyone else sentiments, but there has to be a back story to this, in this part of the world Bewl has always had the reputation of being the last of the snotty dinosaur type sailing clubs, hauling members up before disciplinary committees for silly transgressions like sailing too fast through 'the moorings' (usually windsurfers) and the stubborn refusal to permit windsurfing on saturday or sunday not sure what day it was but they were knobs about it, so no sympathy from here and seriously who but a fool would even sign up to £160,000 a year lease?

Probably not that guy, but anyway whatever plans 'they' think 'they' might have, this is Royal Tunbridge Wells territory with every retired Major on the planet, you might as well suggest fracking for the sort of response they are going to get and West Ham? No football supporters down here in Kings Landing, that's for wildlings north of the ice wall.

However it sounds like good news for Bough Beech, I think a big fleet of Solo's had baled already, personally I always preferred Bough Beech to Bewl, much friendlier place better atmosphere, no great numbers of fish murderers like Bewl.
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Think you'll find that most lease holders on reservoirs like Bewl are looking to maximise income and diversify usage. It is the name of the game these days. There certainly wont be theme parks, but the days of sailing clubs having exclusive rights and access to the water are well and truly over.
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Originally posted by Pierre

Think you'll find that most lease holders on reservoirs like Bewl are looking to maximise income and diversify usage. It is the name of the game these days. There certainly wont be theme parks, but the days of sailing clubs having exclusive rights and access to the water are well and truly over.

Unless they own the lease or the freehold as a few clubs are doing. Or getting better defined leases that specify the max amount the rent an be increased by as well as having perpetual terms (i.e. an option to renew at the same terms).
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We bought our water 25 or more years ago, when it was cheap, as someone with foresight saw what might happen. Lots of other clubs are now surrounded by white clapboard holiday homes and/or play second fiddle to fishermen. We don't, in fact the fishing club pay us to fish there.

Do feel sorry for Bewl, don't agree with the money is everything view point. Kind of the rich screwing the middle classes - bit of a 1st world problem, but a problem all the same.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Do feel sorry for Bewl, don't agree with the money is everything view point. Kind of the rich screwing the middle classes - bit of a 1st world problem, but a problem all the same.

the flip of that, is that realistically looking at the turnouts on a Sunday morning, it's running on pretty exclusive basis already - what, less than 50 people out on the water?  

A commercially operated watersports centre, backed with the relevant RYA endorsements- offering kayaking, SUP, mountain bike hire, professional sail training, racing weeks, kids clubs, camps, disability access programmes, affinity deals with schools and colleges, power boating, wake wires etc.... (Whitwell at Rutland model) could offer greater access for more diverse mix of people to a wonderful spot.... and might just stand a chance making a return on the £160k overhead before the land gets developed for non-permenant dwellings for city bankers. 


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So where is the landlord expecting to get the £160k pa from, if not from the sailing club?
A brief look at the Bewl Water Country Park website shows they already seem to have most of the other bases covered, both water- and land-based, with cycling, kayaking and running activities as well as the fringe boot fairs, music events, etc.
BVSC appear to have the organised dinghy racing and training and windsurf franchise on that stretch of water. They certainly do not have exclusive use of the reservoir.

Bough Beech does look like the obvious sanctuary for evicted dinghy sailors, but its a distance to the east and nowhere near as big.
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From the "Kent Messenger": David Sullivan, according to the Sunday Times rich list, is Britain's 128th richest man with assets valued at £850 million.

He said: "I would be very sad to see the club shut and I hope a new one might form to take its place if the directors of the existing club decide to put it into administration or liquidation.

"I'm just the landlord and the Sailing club is a tenant, as such I have no involvement in the actual running of the club.

"I can't understand how when annual fees are collected from members in April that there is not enough money to pay the rent in June. But no doubt the administrator will sort it out.

"I hope some of the existing members decide in sufficient numbers not to call in an administrator or liquidator.

"For avoidance of doubt I do not own the sailing club. I own Bewl water and the sailing club is one of a number on tenants there."


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"£2.20 per member per day sounds cheap" no it doesn't. That's £114.40 in subs going straight out to the landlord, before any other costs of running a club are dealt with.

If David Sullivan thinks that anyone is going to try to found a new club on his water at that level of rent he's deluded. A brand new club would be at a disadvantage straight away- it won't have the "sleeping members" and many of the existing active members will right now be finding other clubs. It seems to me to be inconceivable that anyone will have the capital available to get such a club up and running and grow it to a point where that level of rent is sustainable.
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It's £2.20 per week Al..... I guess they could always buy a bigger house with a double garage for boat storage; or rent a lock up, or even find a disused farming field or brown field site and speak about 'parking facilities' like the Gatwick valet operators do.....  I'm sure you could easily source a space for a lot cheaper than £2.20 per week.... I mean it's not like land down that way is expensive is it?

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