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rb_stretch ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 742 |
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The fear I had is that multi-rigs boats raced with multi-mutiple rigs in a series reduces the competitive weight range of a boat because it is the heavy weights who get disadvantaged. In other words the reason the smaller rigs have a slower a slower PY is because they are slower on average across all conditions. However a fully powered up smaller rig will be faster than a fully powered up large rig due to less drag. Therefore a lighter sailer can power themselves up in a force 2 with a big rig, change down to a smaller rig in force 4 when they are fully powered up in that etc etc. Meanwhile the heavyweight has to sail not powered up until they reach force 3 to 4 and then probably never need to change down anyway. If both use the same PY (of the big rig), the lighter sailor has the advantage. That is the theory, but of course practice needs some level of compromise hence why I was curious what others do.
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rb_stretch ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 742 |
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Peaky, just read your response after I posted mine and I can see we are thinking exactly alike. Being entirely fair, a multi-rig boat ought to have a lower handicap again compared to the largest rig.
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Yep.
The principle would be the same as switching the hull under a common rig. You know, using a nicely rounded hull with loads of rocker on the light days and a low rocker, chined hull when it's windier. I can't imagine many people arguing that is the same class that should be sailed off a common handicap relating to one class or the other. Edited by Peaky - 06 Mar 15 at 1:29pm |
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Our view is it allows more people on the water over a wider wind range and thats something we want to encourage. If a 9 sailor, you always have to put down a 9 so there is no back adjustment in a series. If you start with a 7 you can't go up to a 9 as it then has a second entry. With three rigs it allows enough flexibility for most adult sailors.
Obviously the Opens are sailed by class.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Its hard:
On the one hand allowing multiple rigs, even different classes under a single entry allows more people on the water and makes it more likely that people can sail every weekend they can. Sailing a two hander when you have crew, single hander when you haven't. And that's surely a good thing. On the other hand if we have the perception that you have to have multiple rigs to sail competitively, then the cost of sailing and, maybe even more important the hassle factor has gone up. And equally surely that's a bad thing. Personally I'm completely torn. Both options seem to me to present excellent arguments. What I have wondered is if whether we should have a qualification type thing, and if you haven't sailed, what, 80% of the races that count in one particular class/rig configuration then you aren't eligible for series prizes. That way you can use different rig combinations to help you sail every week, but not to help you win series. Its also something that's relatively easy to work out at the end of the series. Edited by JimC - 06 Mar 15 at 1:48pm |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Plus do not forget that sailing with a smaller rig on a windy day will skew the handicap to some extent as smaller rigs can be faster in some cirumstances. I know I can get a radial Laser round the course faster in big breeze than I can a standard Laser rig due to being in control rather than just surviving.
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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It's simple. Changing down is for Wusses! (Not sure how to deal with changing up - that would be for heroes!)
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Changing up happens....there is a chap at my local club who is easily 15-20 kgs lighter than me and he sails an 8.1 in lighter breezes. Personally I will stick with what I have now. When it gets so windy I would need a Blue rig I probably wouldnt sail anyway!
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Yep, chap at our club who has a phantom, which he sails up to about 8 knots..
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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So, when the Aeros all race together, non handicap, will there be some opens done like the 18 footers where it is all one class and choose your rig, just to make a change?
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