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    Posted: 01 Sep 14 at 9:44am
I thought that in the past IOSSC did separate dinghies and boards - both on starts and results? Maybe the wisdom got lost somewhere along the line. Or a newish committee member said "wouldn't it be great if..."
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A full blown Raceboard 9.5 competes fairly with an MPS neither do that well if it's light but once it puffs and they get on the wire or in their harness they're fairly evenly matched.

A Raceboard 8.5 is slower, it's not rocket science to work it out and this bollox about there being some difference between boards and boats is no different to a Blaze at 1030 getting up on the plane and destroying faster handicapped boats,or a lowrider climbing up on its foils, it's exactly the same scenario.

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Graeme for clarity, was the 700 PY applied retrospectively, as this is implied in your posts about it.  

Or did she go into it knowing she had a handicap issued of 700?  
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Originally posted by GarethT

Are any dinghies handicapped for optimum conditions, or an average from across the range?

Its somewhere between. Without getting into the technicalities, the current calculation method excludes results that are significantly out of the normal range, whether they were as a result of learner Fred capsizing ten times or expert Mothie never having enough wind to get foiling.
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

Graeme for clarity, was the 700 PY applied retrospectively, as this is implied in your posts about it.  
Or did she go into it knowing she had a handicap issued of 700?  

I understand it was applied retrospectively and she had to wait three and a half hours before finding out. I've formerly written to them as Commodore of our club to protest whilst also congratulating them on a well run event from my personal perspective.

I really think it's time the dinghy community grew up a bit over this whole issue, treating boards like the b**tard ginger stepchild, they need a formal yardstick, they are an Olympic Class they race to the same rules and they pay their money and get milked by the RYA when it suits them.

Maybe this will be the watershed moment.

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if it was applied retrospectively then it stinks....  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Sep 14 at 10:40am
Originally posted by kneewrecker

if it was applied retrospectively then it stinks....  


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Looking at the results,  the winning Dart had an elapsed time of 
3.10.31 with PN of 853 and corrected 3.43.21

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3.49.32 with PN of 700 to give corrected of 5.27.54

to win she would need to be sailing of a PN of 1028+

We have not GPS tracked Raceboards,  but have the Technos which at their Worlds were regularly sailing faster than the wind,  and in moderate conditions nearly hitting 20 kts.  We also tracked the Blaze Nationals and they certainly were not that fast.   

Not clear where the number of 700 has come from,  perhaps data from previous races,  but as we have seen with foiling Moths PY struggles with boats that have wide performance characteristics depending on conditions.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Sep 14 at 11:27am
Again, I believe that IOSSC have sensibly separated the cat and dinghy results in the past, but have given up on that in recent years.   I can't imagine why, unless there were just too few entries in one category or the other to justify a separate prize.
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