General Recall & redress

   The Individual Recall flag went up though we couldn't see it until we
turned back - the committee accepted this and I guess that's why they
have said we can seek redress.

Putting the details of this race aside what confused me was the
committee's stance that in seeking redress you could end up in a worse
position than what you scored on the water (they actually cited a case
of a Swan 45 dropping from 2nd to 3rd following a recent hearing) - if
it is true and the racing rules allow this to happen then the rules
must be fundamentally flawed.

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jdhayward Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 31 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote jdhayward Report Post Quote Reply Topic: General Recall & redress Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 5:32pm
	The Individual Recall flag went up though we couldn't see it until we turned back - the committee accepted this and I guess that's why they have said we can seek redress. Putting the details of this race aside what confused me was the committee's stance that in seeking redress you could end up in a worse position than what you scored on the water (they actually cited a case of a Swan 45 dropping from 2nd to 3rd following a recent hearing) - if it is true and the racing rules allow this to happen then the rules must be fundamentally flawed.

Garry Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 18 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536	Post Options Post Reply Quote Garry Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 5:03pm
	The protest committee has to decide what's fairest for all competitors. The logical conclusion would be average or finishing position whichever is better. Although if you did better than your average that would imply you were not seriously disadvantaged by the mistake (required for a RFR to be accepted).
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Scooby_simon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415	Post Options Post Reply Quote Scooby_simon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 4:52pm
	what flags/markers went up. Sound signals are only to bring your attention. IMO If the correct flags went up (for boat(s) over) the CTTe are in the clear.
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jdhayward Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 31 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 5	Post Options Post Reply Quote jdhayward Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 4:04pm
	At a recent race during the Hamble Winter Series the 707 fleet were sent off with 3 guns at the start. Assuming this to be a general recall we turned back only to find that the race continued. It turned out the committee had made a mistake and meant to fire 2 guns for an individual recall flag (not for us) - given that we did start again at the back of the fleet we sought redress. Committee agreed that we were disadvantaged but then said we we could get average points for the race based on the series results which meant we could actually get a worse position than we finally ended up with (10/24) which is nonsensical. If an individual boat infringes a rule during a race they get a penalty based on that race's performance. Is it not the same when a committee makes a mistake??