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    Posted: 31 Oct 05 at 2:27pm

This is a collection of really crap ideas.

To pick on two;

[a weighting re-calculation given to the points achieved to give a

preferred weighting to the boat place 1 overall after race 10, and so on through to

boat 10]

This sounds as if the points leaders advantage will largely evaporate but for what purpose? If the weighting proposed is used, then surely the winner will still not be immediately obvious and someone (the ill informed commentator) will have to inform the watching masses who has actually won. 

[The final scoring system to be determined by the President in consultation with the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and Olympic Broadcast Services (OBS) before the end of 2005].

So no consultation with sailors or even National Authorities but undue influence by broadcasters and the president who obviously already like the idea of a single race (potential) lottery to decide the medals.

In any case, Sailing is far from the only sport to have no obvious (to Joe public) result until the computer has worked it out.

Take the decathlon for instance - we watch the exhausted competitors amble around the final 1500m 'race' and never is the winner of that race the actual Gold medallist - we have to endure the prattling of the commentator pretending its a close finish while the computer works out who won. But we still love it (especially if a Brit is involved).

Almost any of the judged events are not won until the judge’s scores come up and are computed - and in the multi discipline events like Gymnastics, competitors are sometimes not even on the same apparatus at the same time. 

Yet in all these cases the points advantage built up by the leader is still intact going into the last shot, dive, run, apparatus or whatever - So why should sailing be treated any different?

The fact is sailing is complex to understand and very difficult to televise - messing with it like this doesn't really address those fundamental problems. i.e. joe public still will not comprehend "why boats don't go straight to the mark" or gybing into pressure, covering upwind or shifts at all - so unless we reduce the Final to a simple (reaching) drag race from A to B we can't ever expect the masses to 'get it'.

 

I do agree that the last race be non-discardable – that would certainly add interest and demand that the leader still sail well in that race.
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Funding erm yes.  I was thinking tax & TV licence but actually, a quick bit of internet research shows:

  • lottery gave about £7m to sailing at Athens
  • various private sponsors including Rover funded team GB
  • no direct state funding

so as I don't buy lottery tickets or driver a Rover, maybe I shouldn't watch.  Oops.

For sure, they should ask the competitors.  And Hector's right "The fact is sailing is complex to understand and very difficult to televise"  

...Unless you adopt my high speed slalom face off.

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Be that as it may, some of the 49er coverage had a number of my non-sailing mates looking on in awe. Close tactical racing is great to watch, but the Olympic are the biggest shop window our sport could dream of. Surely we should be encouraging people into the sport by advertising it for what it is:

Exciting and wet.

Secondly, should our Olympic guys not be sailing the most physically and mentally demanding boats available?

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Originally posted by NickA

lottery gave about £7m to sailing at Athens

So we will have lottery funding for a lottery final race. How appropriate.

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But Fizz, look at the sailing disciplines that have followed the high performance/high speed/high publicity route.

18' skiffs......pro circuit crashed and burned. Tiny class.

Pro windsurfing....pro circuit not at all healthy, shrinking badly. When windsurfing went high speed it became much less popular.

60' tris....pro circuit always shakey.

Ultras....dead.

How many times does this tired old idea have to dragged out of its grave before it's accepted that it's none too healthy?????

Surveys commisioned here in Australia show that people did NOT keep out of sailing because they thought it was boring, they kept out of the sport because  they thought it was expensive, elitist and difficult. Surely highlighting the expensive elitist and difficult classes will only make that more of a problem?

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Originally posted by Hector

I do agree that the last race be non-discardable – that would certainly add interest and demand that the leader still sail well in that race.

I disagree, making the last race non discardable removes the possibility of there being a final race show down like the one between Ainslie and Scheidt.

Forcing the discard into play is a great skill in sailing. And I think that the Ainslie Sheidt dogfight was athe best bit of yachting I have ever seen. Why remove that possibility?

Sailing requires a brain to watch and participate in, why dumb down for the sake of people who will still take the p**s anyway?

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I stuggle to enjoy any sport on TV but it does appear that most people like
simple to understand sports, such as rowing - easy to see who's winning.
And even that seems interesting compared to a 100m sprint which is about
as appealing as a premature eqeculation - "And they're off... they've
finished!"

Maybe sailing does need 'sexing up'. Finns and Skiffs are hardly state of the
art, are they?

I wonder if this is aimed at the British - the French, for instance, enjoy
sailing on TV.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 05 at 6:58am

Originally posted by Jamie

 And I think that the Ainslie Sheidt dogfight was athe best bit of yachting I have ever seen. Why remove that possibility?

Good point. If non-sailing people mention to me sailing they have seen on TV, it is usually that footage.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 05 at 7:05am

Originally posted by turnturtle

erm- is a finn not physically and mentally demanding? 

Half of us couldn't even pull one up the slipway. The Finn and Star are the oldest two boats and also the most physically demanding.

I don't know if Fizzicist has ever wandered around a club when the Olympic classes are in town but last time I did, everyone looked frighteningly fit.

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I don't think live sailing will ever be interesting or broadcast (too long) so; the last race show down is a bit of a red herring due to the fact that coverage will be highlights anyway.

So lets run a traditional series in a bunch of "cheap" exciting classes that creates the opportinity of good "thrills and spills" and opens the sport up to nations that don't have the same resources as GBR. The downside is we may win less medals.

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