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Steve411 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 08 Location: Cheddar, Somerset, England Online Status: Offline Posts: 705 |
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Stu.B ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 01 Mar 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
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The Buzz is hull and fittings.
I imagine that the RS500 is the same and includes the fittings, but am not sure. Also, despite owning many RS boats over the years I've never weighed one so do not know how the real weight compares to the stated weight.
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AlanH ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Apr 10 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 84 |
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Hi bootscooter. No didn't catch the black OK this time, but am an admirer of Scoles's OKs, eg see pic 254 on the 2013 Fotoboat album, nice wood or wood look foredeck. Think he had a nice one the previous year too, adjustable mast foot position.
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In-a-Flap ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 04 Mar 14 Location: Warsash SC Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
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I am not sure to be honest. RS and Vantage Sailing might be able to help you out here. I do know that in my experience they don't feel all that different in 'weight'. But my main point is that, for the sort of boat that both of these classes are, the weight is not really the important thing in the way that perhaps it might be if you are just looking for maximum performance at all costs.
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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are those Buzz and Rs500 quoted weights on the same basis? Are they all-up (including sails), hull-with-fittings, other?
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Bootscooter ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 May 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1094 |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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similar viewpoint on this occasion, but not the same poster !
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In-a-Flap ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 04 Mar 14 Location: Warsash SC Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
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[QUOTE=Stu.B] It's good to see lots of Buzz talk. ... This [weight of the Buzz] is very similar to the RS500 minimum weight and in reality they probably weigh the same. This is a good point: Buzz 90kg versus RS500 87kg ie less than half a stone. In any case this is all rather academic because, as many people have told me and I tend to agree with them, a boat's performance is generally far more dependent upon stiffness than weight. This is borne out (when looking at the Buzz at least) by the fact that slightly heavier ones have done very well in competition over the years. Whilst talking about RS500 as an alternative to Buzz, I do think do think that this is another really great boat for those of us who want exciting fast sailing without going to the absolute extreme. There are, however, are a few areas where, to me, Buzz comes out on top including: o No traveller over the back of the boat to get tangled up in during and after a capsize and the semi floating mast makes turning turtle quickly less likely - These are safety factors that are all really important to me, given that my whole family sail and race our Buzz. o A lot simpler, clearer and more open deck making it look nicer as well as making it easier to move about and, because of the furling jib (and this is of particular importance to my wife), to sunbathe between races. o Second hand prices Buzzes are currently very much more attractive to the buyer, although I can see the full support and availability of spares from Vantage Sailing changing that situation before long. |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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Black OK is nice looking, however, I would look nice in a Hugo Boss DJ or head-to-toe Zhik, it wouldn't make me a better dancer or sailor .... now if someone had turned up with an OK that looked like that, was ~25-30kg lighter and had a nice carbon-comp c'plate rather than Madame Guilotine's cast-offs in the middle, then that would be worth some air-time on digs & development, IMO
Loving the curved foils on the A-class, sucker for the 14's and 505s, just need a lot more water and cash..... Edit: Moth looks great too, worthy CdE winner
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