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    Posted: 29 Oct 13 at 9:57pm
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No kite and no trapeze wire, that's what!
Not if i get my way
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Kites and trapezes are features, not benefits.
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Originally posted by NickA

No kite and no trapeze wire, that's what!
 
Also no fleets and no re-sale market?
 
I've only seen one or two on the water a couple of times, I don't feel their performance is exactly stunning, but that could have just been the people who were sailing them. But I'm not hearing a lot of people saying they are blown away by them on the water. It looks nice and the rig is fashionable.
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Somebody said that enjoyable boats are not always fast boats....didn't they?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 11:05am
Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by NickA

No kite and no trapeze wire, that's what!
 
Also no fleets and no re-sale market?
 
I've only seen one or two on the water a couple of times, I don't feel their performance is exactly stunning, but that could have just been the people who were sailing them. But I'm not hearing a lot of people saying they are blown away by them on the water. It looks nice and the rig is fashionable.

For a two sail boat i think you'd be pleasantly surprised having watched it being developed up close.
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I hate this constant no fleets no resale market attitude (not just aimed at you RS400)  the fleets will develop with the right strategy.  But it needs people to be early adopters and be brave enough to make it happen.  It also needs a class association to work closely with the dealer.  The amount I know about the whole Icon picture can be written on the back of a fag packet.  I don’t even know where they are with regards to class association setup.  I would think Blaze720 is the best person to comment about the strategy and class.  I would have no problems buying into a class if I understood the road map ahead.  It’s something we struggled with early on with the D1, but actually now we have a clear direction, which is something we can sell to people.  more importantly we now have a small but critical mass which gives us foundations to build on.  It’s starting to work well for us, we have found our market, we know where we are going, we know what we want to achieve and there are long term plans and strategies to help this.  I am sure this would work for the Icon, but it does need the early adopters and the drive for it to succeed for it to...err succeed


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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 12:53pm
Originally posted by Ruscoe

I hate this constant no fleets no resale market attitude (not just aimed at you RS400)  the fleets will develop with the right strategy.  But it needs people to be early adopters and be brave enough to make it happen.  It also needs a class association to work closely with the dealer.  The amount I know about the whole Icon picture can be written on the back of a fag packet.  I don’t even know where they are with regards to class association setup.  I would think Blaze720 is the best person to comment about the strategy and class.  I would have no problems buying into a class if I understood the road map ahead.  It’s something we struggled with early on with the D1, but actually now we have a clear direction, which is something we can sell to people.  more importantly we now have a small but critical mass which gives us foundations to build on.  It’s starting to work well for us, we have found our market, we know where we are going, we know what we want to achieve and there are long term plans and strategies to help this.  I am sure this would work for the Icon, but it does need the early adopters and the drive for it to succeed for it to...err succeed

 
Icon has been around long enough now to show it's not going viral.
I suspect some people buy them precisely because they are not part of a fleet, they don't want boat-on-boat racing. I can understand this to some extent, I bought a motorbike that was different to all my friends bikes, but then I have no pretense to racing that.
The D1 is a different scenario altogether, the clear way ahead seems to be plenty of people want  a singlehander with a kite but don't want a trapeze, want something quicker than a Vareo. I see people racing them, nuff said.
 
Resale value is important in most people's worlds, you can afford a new(ish?) car/bike/boat, you can't afford another one in three years if the first one can't be sold for a 'fair' amount. Established classes meet that, the depreciation of a new Solo over a couple of years is probably quite appealing. People who have cash to throw around on dead ends do not make up a large slice of the racing dinghy market.
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The reason why dinghies are probably the most stilted backward market there is in luxury consumer goods is the value that people place on having a similar boat to the next guy. With the massive reductions in fleet sizes at opens and nationals this is particularly pertinent, seeing as achieving critical mass for a new class at club level is pretty much impossible without some massive investment or predetermined requirement and buyin from syndicates.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 1:17pm
Originally posted by Ruscoe

I hate this constant no fleets no resale market attitude

Look a new boat without a class!
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