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Nipper ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Oct 13 Location: Hants Online Status: Offline Posts: 40 |
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I think Greg Gregory was the pioneer of really wide Merlins, but he then went super wide and his next generation was not a great sucess. Morrison and Callaghan designs then took over, with Morrison dominating because of his relationship with Spud Rowsell.
I had a Greg Gregory Cherub (sail no 1712), which was from the same vintage, and was probably the widest cherub design there has ever been. It was a dog, not quick on any point of sailing in any wind strength, and terrible downwind in a seaway, and if you fell in, it was completely full of water when you got it upright, so was virtually unsailable, so you couldn't get the water out the transom flaps.
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39 years of dinghy racing and still waiting to peak.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Something positive to say? Yes! Sailing unusual boats, being different to the herd, is fun! You might have to work a bit at making the Harrier feel right for you - that is all part of buying a boat which doesn't come with a tuning guide - but you'll learn a lot about how boats work, and make new friends in the process!
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Design Query:
Jim C and Rupert, both of you have said (Rupert on the Hadron thread) that Harrier in effect too easily scooped water over the gunwale when heeled.
What do you put this down to, and why do you think it doesn't apply to similarly wide boats like Merlins and 12's? |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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For me, it was simply a windy day, combined with a short foredeck and a rig that couldn't be depowered easily, meaning I was healing over more than the boat could manage. It would have to be sailed very flat, which with practice, and the rig changes Jim mentioned, would make it behave in a nicer manner, much like the more refined Merlins and 12s. I certainly didn't have Jim's experience of the rig making the wind seem lighter than it was - the opposite, in fact!
The "famous" pic of Lawrie Smith sailing the boat shows that it can be done well! |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I don't think I've meant to say that, my feeling was that it was't a problem unless you sailed it badly (at least once I had a sensible rudder on so it didn't broach at a 10 degree heel angle), and if you sailed it badly it served you right. I haven't sailed Merlins enough to comment on whether they are any better or worse. Obviously the more freeboard you have and the wider the sidedecks the greater the heel angle before water ingress. What I was trying to say was that the internal buoyancy arrangements, a small short bow tank and two short tanks at the stern, meant there was a bare minimum of tank actually displacing water when you got it upright whether post capsize or just after excessive heeling. It was effectively a built in version of the common contemporary layout of two bags at the stern and one at the bow, and just as inadequate. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Thanks guys.
So, I gather the scooping would have been unobjectionable had the hull been double-floor/self-draining, preferably with a gust-damping rig. Both points you could address if you built a new one, but non-starters if you picked up an old dog on ebay.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Still plenty you could do with an old ebay banger, provided you had a bits box with some spreaders in it, or could get those and other parts cheap, or perhaps find an old mast with spreaders already on. Lowers are easy to fit. The buoyancy is another matter, but I'm sure could be worked on. Chances are the stern tanks would be cracked anyway, so you'd need to do something, anyway!
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Telltale ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 03 May 12 Location: Cardiff Online Status: Offline Posts: 169 |
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Regarding the rig, somewhere in the back of my mind I think that someone had tried a solo rig on a Harrier.
Also I think, but its worth a check, that a 420 rig will fit, stayed and tapered mast.
The transom is ply so I think as a rule you should expect to replace it. That might fit in with the the mod to self drain. There is a bit of a thread on Harriers here, (Jim C posted on it !) |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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The Harrier luff length is a bit longer than the Solo, but as I recall when I laid two sails on top of each other the feet were the same length and even the leech profile much the same until the Harrier top batten. Over fifteen years ago now tho, memory might be at fault.
Edited by JimC - 18 Oct 13 at 2:35pm |
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AlanH ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Apr 10 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 84 |
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Original poster, I recently saw race results for a Harrier at Tata SC, S Wales. I would try to trace that owner and ask his thoughts.
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