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    Posted: 05 Sep 13 at 9:50am
So do we calculate this from mark to mark? If the optimum was a straight line from A to B which would be the fastest (if it were possible) then the best VMG would be the boat closest to this? but....how do we know how fast that would be when it is not possible. Or is the optimum the fastest boat over the distance? I have not had a chance to look at the Weymouth traces again yet.
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Originally posted by iGRF

And there was me always thinking it meant Vector Made Good. Given the tacks and or gybes combine to make a vector.


and velocity is a vector, being defined as having speed and direction.
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i tick, if we are assuming upwind, currently, then straight to the mark is impossible, and so would be the slowest VMG. Once actually sailing, speed increases as you bear away. If you pinch, you will sail a shorter distance, but at a slower speed. For every class, situation, weather condition and even sailing style, the compromise between boatspeed and height will give a different answer in maximizing VMG. Boats which will plane upwind may well find that bearing off to plane is faster even with the added distance, but it may well be that there will be times when it will pay to maximize height over speed even there.

I'm not a yottie, but I have read articles where they are talking about knowing that is a certain breeze, a certain boatspeed will give best vmg, so they will bear off from the highest angle they can sail until they have that boatspeed. I guessing this is done by spending a lot of time practicing and taking readings, and I would imagine is still only a rough guide.
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Originally posted by Rupert

I'm not a yottie, but I have read articles where they are talking about knowing that is a certain breeze, a certain boatspeed will give best vmg, so they will bear off from the highest angle they can sail until they have that boatspeed. I guessing this is done by spending a lot of time practicing and taking readings, and I would imagine is still only a rough guide.


Reference to a boat's polars helps here too.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote i tick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Sep 13 at 2:56pm
So the traces from Weymouth give speed and VMG. The VMG must be comparative between boats. Just out of interest an RS400 did about 17 kts I think, not the fastest, that would have been an International 14. The 'boy' in his Byte managed 11.28 another Byte managed 11.57 but you can see from the trace that he was out of control and it ended in disaster! I will look at it all again tonight.

Polars!!! Do polars bear away? No, is that the swinging of the boat round its axis altering the angle of attack?
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Polars are the cheat sheet sort of thing - at that point my dinghy sailing comes to the fore again and I leave it to experts.

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Someone start a thread about polars, I never understood them either..

That's the trouble with dinghyists all so up themselves hardly anyone knows anything yet they all pretend to understand, then say nothing for fear of sounding an idiot, so it's left to us actual idiots who don't care, to ask.

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Polars are just a graph that show the boat speed you might expect at all different sailing angles. Yachts designers use Velocity Prediction Programmes (VPPs) to generate polars of what speed the boat might, in theory, achieve. The sailor then uses this graph to know whether they are going as fast as possible, or whether there is a bit more speed to be gotten by tweaking something.
Performance prediction is harder (or less well funded) for dinghies, so theoretical polars are rarer. However, you can generate actual polars by using a GPS speedometer and logging the speed you achieved on various legs (and true wind speed).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote i tick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Sep 13 at 5:01pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Someone start a thread about polars, I never understood them either..

That's the trouble with dinghyists all so up themselves hardly anyone knows anything yet they all pretend to understand, then say nothing for fear of sounding an idiot, so it's left to us actual idiots who don't care, to ask.

Well thank you young man, like I said Emporers new clothes. I now have a rough idea of what VMG means but I do not think it will improve my performance much on Sunday. When the 'Boy' gets back from Australia in a few weeks I will explain it all to him but I have an idea he may tell me to stick my V.M.G. up my B.U.M.
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Here is a fairly rough stab at theoretical polars for a couple of boats in 10kts of wind. Best upwind VMG is where the curve is at its highest (about 42 degrees for the 59er, 45 degs for the 100).


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