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    Posted: 03 May 13 at 3:05pm
If you have to be an ISAF International class to hold a 'worlds', why don't you have to be an RYA National class to hold a 'Nationals', as opposed to a  'Class Champs'. If the RYA then kept the National classes up to date, we would have an automatic qualification for the Endeavour trophy.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by MrGin

It may have something to do with having to pay ISAF, so that you can use the word "World" at a sailing championship,

No, the situation is only ISAF International and Recognised Classes are allowed World Champs.

I believe the concept of recognised classes is long since defunct.

It used to be a stepping stone to international status but was dropped some years ago.

You are either an international class or not ...





Originally posted by Medway Maniac

 
I'm still at a loss unless they count sailing schools/holiday fleets like Minorca Sailing.  Hardly right that, though, is it?

It is of course a nonsense but the big manufacturers seem to like to get it done when they have shipped boats to schools. ISAF status is a bigger deal overseas as it seems to make it easier to sell boats to institutions if ISAF have rubber stamped it ...  Confused






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To be recognised by ISAF you therefore have to pay them, the classes that come under the RYA as National classes, that may or may not have International Associations are RYA Classes not ISAF classes.
 
 
With respect to the Albacore, the RYA are the copyright holders, but there is an International Albacore Association. The RYA do an excellent job with the Albacore, but it does not stop us holding International competitions. To hold a world championship we would have to be an ISAF class and it costs!
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by pondmonkey

RS700s are popular in the Czech Republic.

There has to be an opportunity for a Borat style jape there ...  LOL

Since when was the Czech Republic in or anywhere near Kazakhstan?!  They were both under the Russian yoke 20-odd years ago, but that's about it...  Smile



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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by MrGin

It may have something to do with having to pay ISAF, so that you can use the word "World" at a sailing championship,

No, the situation is only ISAF International and Recognised Classes are allowed World Champs.
And how do you get to be an ISAF International and Recognised Class? Pay for it?  Else provide an alternative explanation for the Vago situation?


Edit: just seen Al's post.  I'm still at a loss unless they count sailing schools/holiday fleets like Minorca Sailing.  Hardly right that, though, is it?


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From Appendix A of the class reports for every International class, here's the eligibility criteria:

APPENDIX A

Class minimum requirements for ISAF Status as for ISAF Regulation 10.2.1(e): Designation as an ISAF Class

Entitled to World Championship

Category according to Hull Length

Boats per MNA

No. of MNAs

No. of Continents

Boats up to 6.0m

15

5

2

Boats >6.0m to 9.0m

7

4

2

Boats >9.0m to 12.0m

6

3

2

Boats >12.0m to 15.0m

4

3

2

Boats >15.0m

2

3

2

 
Edit: the edior has mangled this slightly. The "Entitled to World Championships" header is supposed to be just above the "No. of continents" column, and the other big header should be above "Boats per MNA" and "No. of MNAs".


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Originally posted by Ian29937

Originally posted by pondmonkey

RS700s are popular in the Czech Republic.

To my knowledge 700's are sailed in the UK, France, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Spain, Switzerland, Germany, Czech Republic, Japan, USA, Australia, Denmark, New Zealand, Italy and Dubai. But we're not an International class!


What with there being quite a few on the Island Republic of Hayling, I'm surprised there's any left for England.

How many of those countries have ever had a class race for RS700's?

And why exactly has the RS400 never sold abroad very well?
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Originally posted by MrGin

It may have something to do with having to pay ISAF, so that you can use the word "World" at a sailing championship,

No, the situation is only ISAF International and Recognised Classes are allowed World Champs.
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It may have something to do with having to pay ISAF, so that you can use the word "World" at a sailing championship, i will find out this weekend as I dont know the full story.
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by pondmonkey

RS700s are popular in the Czech Republic.

There has to be an opportunity for a Borat style jape there ...  LOL

Since when was the Czech Republic in or anywhere near Kazakhstan?!  They were both under the Russian yoke 20-odd years ago, but that's about it...  Smile
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