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iGRF
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Topic: 420 winged rudder Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 8:14pm |
Rupert is not all there either he sails a wooden sled I saw it and he makes his son do it as well, quite shocking.
As to all that drivel that could be likened to a Readimix lorry full of lipstick emptied over a giant sow, in a similar gesture, to me, it just perfectly illustrates the insanity of anyone sailing those things, or, that thanks to a legion of old buffers, our TV screens and Oympic competition continues to be polluted by a boat that came to pass the year after I diid.
It is an anachronism I think the correct term is, the fact it was fun to watch was nothing to do with the dated hull, the heavy metal, or the pseudo hi tech attempts at cheating in a One Design, another total hypocrisy, 'oh it,s a one design' but only us rich nations can afford to build a one design thats faster and more expensive than anything the third world can muster.
It is so typical of everything that is wrong about the sport, in a bad way, I actually feel sorry for those of you suckered in by it, but you are no better than the Bandit brigade, the Epoxy streaker in a wooden boat race.
It's a one design, so bad, nothing technology can do will make it anythng other than an irritating few boat lengths faster than the next one, but even that's enough to make it unfair.
What was it that young Sir Ben said about his body not standing another trial by it? Meanwhile two modern sports with more in keeping with the 21st century have to battle each other and one must lose to satisfy ancient egos and the last of the old school tie bunch of blazered buffers.
Edited by iGRF - 01 Feb 13 at 8:41pm
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Finntastic
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Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 4:15pm |
Hi Graham Try engineered hull with 100s of hours of computer input to insure structure is stiff and light but bendy in the correct places. The hull shape is fully optimised with localised reinforcement by means of amide fibres and carbon where permited, moulded with epoxy in ceramic moulds which are fullyfared. The hulls are also vacuum bagged and autoclaved. Likewise All Carbon Unstayed Rotating Wing mast to NASA section designed and taylored to suit the weight of the sailor, sails developed to suit mast and sailors weight,(Masts very expensive £2500 or more). Sails also state of the art materials and construction ( £900 or more) yes expensive but fast and good quality. Nice padded seats (not wings to trip you up), Carbon Nasa section rudders (no wings) and carbon steering sticks. Boat is only marginally slower than an EPS so nearly has your exaggerated 20 knots plus capability. The boat is expensive but lasts a long time. Ben used the same boat in three Olympics. A boat sailed throught out the world, with new countries sailing them and expanding fleets. Some of the greatest dinghy and America's Cup sailors are ex- Finn Sailors. I've not heard of anybody that good sailing an EPS except yourself of course. An Olympic class which requires strength, fitness, stamina and intelligence to sail at the highest levels, but can be sailed to a high standard by club sailors with experience. True it as boat designed for big people and big people sail them. I felt like you do about a Finn having previously sailed fast cats and dinghys. However I was converted by actually sailing one and finding what a rewarding experience it is, it handles beautifully and is very sensitive to any adjustments made responding instantly. A very technical boat to tune offering hours of fun in that direction. Anyway all in all it's a personal view and I'm not going to get involved with a my cars better than your cars arguement each to their own. If you are in the west country and so inclined you are welcome to take out my newer boat. I have no interest in the 420 class only a sense of fair play, have only one child a daughter who is in to carriage driving. If you think dinghy sailings expensive try carriage driving.
Edited by Finntastic - 01 Feb 13 at 4:46pm
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JimC
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Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 4:12pm |
Cost of two cardboard to cut two fake fins from - £1.50p
Cost of sellotape to stick them on rudder while launching - 75p
Value of watching ensuing thread from hell develop...
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Rupert
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Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 4:03pm |
GRF, aren't you in the process of scrapping the Hi Aspect fully battened sail for a soft one?
and 3) - the Finn mast is far more hitec.
5) Good to see forum speeds are alive and well.
However, it was designed in 1949, so the hull shape might not be totally current!
Mind, for me, this is a plus point, of course.
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iGRF
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Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 3:35pm |
Originally posted by Finntastic
Graeme I think you will find that a modern Finn is has far more modern tech than the boat you sail. |
Hmm let me think.
1) Modern Hi aspect full batten sail er no
2) Naca Section main foil er no
3) Carbon fully rotating mast er no
4) Aerofoiled extra comfort extending wings er no
5) Performance planing hull capable of 20 knots er no
6) Charismatic helm with added charm and down to weight er definitely not.
Sorry, not a chance.
Now you just have to nip out to the garage, find where your boy hid the T foil after the race, then come back and be nice to poor Radixon, oh and have the piss taken for the rest of all time..
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Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 2:35pm |
Originally posted by iGRF
I stiil think they did it, the more noise the 420 camp make, the more it points to some of the kids doing stuff behind daddies back so now they could be accused of calling poor radixon a 'liar' after what was a perfectly innocent request,....... |
I'm sure RADixon has been on this forum long enough to have caught a few class rules debates, so should have sussed that stating a boat was sporting a huge modification is in fact equivalent to suggesting they were outside the rules. It's like stating in print "I saw the boys from a certain street riding mopeds with no helmets", then mumbling days later that they might in fact have been pedal cycles. Or maybe a horse.... If anyone actually has the guts and bodging skills to put a winged rudder on a 420, I'll probably buy them a pint if they're old enough, so long as they enter as a ''420 Development'' or something. Now, where to borrow a fathead main for the Perisher? I'll sign on as a '409' in very bad handwriting.
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Finntastic
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Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 1:40pm |
Hi Tick Agreed let the key board warriors continue. Graham I think you will find that a modern Finn is has far more modern tech than the boat you sail.
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Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 1:20pm |
do you mean an intro for noobs of the SA variety?
I missed the action on STW thismorning - what happened graeme?
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iGRF
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Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 1:08pm |
I stiil think they did it, the more noise the 420 camp make, the more it points to some of the kids doing stuff behind daddies back so now they could be accused of calling poor radixon a 'liar' after what was a perfectly innocent request, it's not as if he said 'ooh I saw those 420 kids cheating', he just asked about what the 'thing' they were using did.
And anyway, anyone who signs himself Finntastic clearly isn't totally all there, there's nothing 'tastic' about that old tub or any of those other Arks, 420's N12's whatever, making kids sail in them is tantamount to child abuse imv.
If this thread were on a bike forum I sometimes frequent, it would have been closed by now as the forum lynch mob mentality prevails. Folk who come on to ask questions, comment positively, or even josh about, are fine, new one posters moaning aint imv and like my early three bans, should not be made to feel necessarily that comfortable about acting that way, an introduction might at least be polite..
Edited by iGRF - 01 Feb 13 at 1:11pm
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Posted: 01 Feb 13 at 1:00pm |
Originally posted by tick
I think that the real point we are discussing here is are we being let down by the National Health Service? When my paint is dry I will check the starting order at the Bloody thingy and see who started behind the winged or not N12's and the winged or not 420's for they are the culprits here. A lack of observational skill on their part has caused this wandering post. When I was a lad spectacles came from the NHS. If you could not tell a National 18 from a Firefly ones Mum hauled you into a clinic where a white coated official with a fag on stopped searching for nits and nailed a pair of wire rimmed glasses onto your head. Suddenly all became clear and you could see buses and predatory pedophiles. One of my offspring wears glasses by Armani and Gok Wang for heavens sake. This means that he looks sexy but cant tell a bicycle from a horse. So, this confusion is all caused by Specsavers, Pat Smythe and Lance Armstrong. Bring back Nitty Nora.
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