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    Posted: 17 May 13 at 1:35pm
Simon you said exactly that 'Its no surprise if favours a bit of weight'  so what else am i meant to draw from that statement.  I'm not going to get drawn in to any kind of battle over price.  We don't need to, very different products.  However if you now need to buy both rigs with a 100 and now possibly 3, there is not a great deal of difference in price.  Especially given our full carbon construction etc.  There are other key factors to consider around build quality and longevity of product vs. long term return on your investment.  But i'm not interested in getting into a pissing contest with the 100's again.  I just hope they can get a happy resolution for their class members.  If indeed this is a problem at all.....

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How does the D-one favour a bit of weight??  Charlie Chandler is 75kg, Giles Chipperfield must be near enough the same weight.  Former Gold cup winner Augustin Zabaloa in about 70kg.  Nick craig is hardly a fat boy.  My weight floats between 85-89kg.  Tim G is about 90kg but has been heavier, We have some sailors over 100kg.  I would hardly say it was designed any particular weight range!  We do all this with 1 main sail size and two wing positions.  (Albeit there is a 7.4m2 rig which has been mainly used by female sailors) Even in this weekends conditions Charlie and I were swapping places, he won the event but the results don't paint the whole picture however he is a better sailor so i guess the end result does ther talking.

The D1 is looking a really nice bit of kit ... if you must weight equalise I think adjusting wings seems to work better than different sails.

Wing adjustment has worked well for a number of classes, have any classes be successful doing weight equalisation with sails sizes?
Thanks for the kind words, IMNSHO equalisation of any form has its positives and negatives.  It seems to work well for us currently.  For sure the D1 is not for everyone, but then again despite some early marketing hype i think its fairly sensible to say it was never meant to be.  One thing for sure is its a fine ship usuable in a broad range of weight ranges and conditions.  But then i would say that wouldnt I!!!!

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How does the D-one favour a bit of weight??  Charlie Chandler is 75kg, Giles Chipperfield must be near enough the same weight.  Former Gold cup winner Augustin Zabaloa in about 70kg.  Nick craig is hardly a fat boy.  My weight floats between 85-89kg.  Tim G is about 90kg but has been heavier, We have some sailors over 100kg.  I would hardly say it was designed any particular weight range!  We do all this with 1 main sail size and two wing positions.  (Albeit there is a 7.4m2 rig which has been mainly used by female sailors) Even in this weekends conditions Charlie and I were swapping places, he won the event but the results don't paint the whole picture however he is a better sailor so i guess the end result does ther talking.

The D1 is looking a really nice bit of kit ... if you must weight equalise I think adjusting wings seems to work better than different sails.

Wing adjustment has worked well for a number of classes, have any classes be successful doing weight equalisation with sails sizes?
Thanks for the kind words, IMNSHO equalisation of any form has its positives and negatives.  It seems to work well for us currently.  For sure the D1 is not for everyone, but then again despite some early marketing hype i think its fairly sensible to say it was never meant to be.  One thing for sure is its a fine ship usuable in a broad range of weight ranges and conditions.  But then i would say that wouldnt I!!!!


Are there any examples of a class where sail size has been changed to offer weight equalisation?

The only one I can think of that tried it was the RS300 and that never really took off ...
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Ruscoe, yes , thats the quote and I read it back, slight difference in what I tried to type and how it may read . Its subtle, but what I meant was not that it favours weight in terms of results or performance, but that it can carry more weight which was down to its heritage. The 100 had its sail area increased so it could drive more weight in the boat. My point being that the 100 needed to be hiked very hard and perhaps harder than people liked. 

The D-one carries the weight and carries the power, but depowers very well and has two rack settings, so seems to suit a wider range competitively. 

I am not sure where pricing is on either boat now, but at the time there was a real difference, but again the d-one is more of a hand built boat, carbon, racks, traveller etc so bound to be more expensive to make. I am not saying either is right or wrong, you pays your money........

If I were to be looking to buy one of these tomorrow it would probably be a d-one, but mostly because we have more d-ones at the club.
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Last time I looked there about a 3-4k difference in price between the 100 and the d1.
D1 is an expensive machine. 
I had a go of an early one and liked it although it felt like a bigger boat overall and it didn't feel as comfortable to me when hiking hard and I hated the long kite sock running through the cockpit. However the build quality was superb. It's a boat that will be around for a long time.
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Well this spurt of activity here gives me the perfect excuse to fill you in on the real world of the RS100 right now!

 

It continues to grow nicely from where I sit. Around thirty something boats delivered so far this year (not in the office right now) which puts it way ahead of all other performance single-handers I reckon. Challenge me if I’m wrong anyone. As ever, a good number of them to UK sailors and a spread to other parts of the world. The building fleet of sturdy Viking Gods in Sweden are, as you’d imagine, mainly going for 10.2s so they can rape, pillage and blast back across the North Sea.  

 

Used boats seem to be in pretty short supply and less sailors changing now. With such a big initial surge there was bound to be a number who found the boat didn’t suit them – isn’t that generally the case with new performance classes? I had a 49er for a (very short) time – couldn’t get used to sailing with my knees trembling downwind…

 

The rule change proposal is partly about making clear that the 8.4 and 10.2 sail sizes were never intended to be an equalisation system. We knew the performance would be different and argued for different PYs. The fact that the rigs are sometimes more similar in speed than expected had lead to some over-expectation. So now it’s clear – separate results – use a handicap when you want to combine them.

 

Happy sailing in your chosen ship!
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4 suits?

No one who would have a 10.2 would buy a 7.4 and kite same for all. Max you need is 2 mains. Its a bit like saying you would by all three laser rigs for the same person. I might as well get out and swim than put a 4.7 on the old tub!

D-one offers a smaller sail as well unless I am mistaken Stern Smile

D-One can handle a wider wind and weight range with a single sail - period
RS has narrower wind range with each sail, but you wont need all three.
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Well there you go, I am being exploited......... LOL
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Good to hear sales are strong.
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Thanks Martin,

Just for clarity, is there any truth in the rumours about another sail size being in development?  

cheers!
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