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pondmonkey 
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Posted: 17 May 13 at 11:49am |
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It doesn't reflect well that the boat apparently went through so much testing before launch, only for the general concensus to be that the 10.2 rig is too big and not well developed. I know that sounds a little harsh, but RS are experienced at developing boats so it is suprising that the rig is not, apparently, much liked.
The important thing moving forward is for clarity about the different rigs. Rumours of a fourth rig option, rule proposals that split the fleet and marginalise minority rig users, and PY issues make it all seem very embryonic and uncertain. This contrasts with the initial launch which had good clarity and certainty of purpose. |
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haroosh
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Posted: 17 May 13 at 12:09pm |
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Or it could be the fat boys that the 10.2 was intended for aren't buying it?
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 17 May 13 at 12:22pm |
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they did once... 11 entries in 2010 Nationals. (9 if you take out RS employees). Seems the rig is dying on the vine, so I do get 'why' there is a desire from the majority to split, especially if you drill down into 'who's left', but we should ensure this doesn't degenerate into a personal thread. I have said it's probably the best thing for the class to have just one rig anyway, although I think it's a bit cheeky to bunging up the old big sail when it suits you against your fellow club members. And of course expecting them to record the results accurately when there could well be 5 delineations of rig format under 'class rules', if the rumours are true. And before Clive pipes up that this is only a proposal, surely a class association has better things to be doing than publishing proposals for 'end goals' that have not been mooted in the rigging park, nor have little chance of being voted through by the majority?
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2547
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Posted: 17 May 13 at 12:29pm |
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Well as an ex-owner I think he is entitled to an opinion, and perhaps he'd buy another on one day ... To get the hump about the general unwashed discussing your class here is a bit rich considering it was this very forum that was heavily "exploited" as part of the hype/launch of the boat. Now it is unravelling you have to take the ups with the downs
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Posted: 17 May 13 at 12:48pm |
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How do you think this forum was ' exploited' .?
It is an open forum and at the development point of the 100, the forum became a receptacle for a lot of chat on the subject, but don't see how anyone was 'exploited' as no one was forced to join in in any way. From memory there were less than half a dozen posts from Nick at RS and only when people asked direct questions. I have no doubt that they would have monitored what was said, but the boat was not designed by the forum nor the forum exploited. What was different in that process was the open invitation from RS for people to try the prototype, which is in principle a good thing, provided that a few people's comments are not taken as representing all sailors. I also don't think it was designed to be a fat boys boat, but designed for a wide weight range, albeit the RS design team are perhaps over 75kg  There is no doubt that in the right conditions it can work well for a wide range, but the 10.2 is hard work in a breeze and perhaps us porkers with dodgy knees like an easier life!!! The d-0ne was designed from the start to fit Luca's wishes, so no surprise that it favours a bit of weight and has large ( leather) armchairs on each side
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Ruscoe
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Posted: 17 May 13 at 12:55pm |
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How does the D-one favour a bit of weight?? Charlie Chandler is 75kg, Giles Chipperfield must be near enough the same weight. Former Gold cup winner Augustin Zabaloa in about 70kg. Nick craig is hardly a fat boy. My weight floats between 85-89kg. Tim G is about 90kg but has been heavier, We have some sailors over 100kg. I would hardly say it was designed any particular weight range! We do all this with 1 main sail size and two wing positions. (Albeit there is a 7.4m2 rig which has been mainly used by female sailors) Even in this weekends conditions Charlie and I were swapping places, he won the event but the results don't paint the whole picture however he is a better sailor so i guess the end result does ther talking.
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2547
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Posted: 17 May 13 at 12:57pm |
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Ok ... emotive word ... very heavily used ... When a subject it widely discussed on a forum any time there is new news it is likely to receive the same attention. That is the way internet forums work, they are organic ...
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I never said the d-one favoured any weight, I just inferred that the design came from a finn sailor, who may not be a spring chicken or the lightest. Giles is at my club and so are sailors with more weight. I think the d-one can suit a wide range, but when sailed back to back with a 100, the the d-one is a physically bigger boat, so can carry weight better without just adding more canvas.
The d-one is bigger, has a bigger battened sail, but depowers more easily for reasons I don't absolutely know, but think are probably a combination of sail shape, unstayed rig and most importantly the traveller. The 10.2 on the 100 may be over canvassed because it has much less leverage than the d-one and I suspect a universal sail of about 9m was probably about right. I have sailed both boats, think they are both great, but lets remember there is also a not insubstantial price difference. Would the 100 have benefitted from a track - possibly, but it increases complexity and cost which makes it less accessible. Just because the 100 is a smod doesnt however mean that it shouldn't evolve and if after several years there is a class wish to make a change then a smart manufacturer will help with this provided it isn't just jumping on each latest craze to allow it to flog a few more boats short term. Take the blaze as an example - the original topper set up was almost unsailable in a breeze and stayed that way until the CA courtesy or one ML stepped in and organised a smaller, semi battened sail that transformed the boat. RS have changed the decks on the 800 and the (Laser) 2000, changed sail shapes and materials on the 400 etc - thats just being smart and helping the class survive, particularly in a situation like this where there is a natural movement and a lot has been learnt about the boat over the past few years. |
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2547
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Posted: 17 May 13 at 1:24pm |
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The D1 is looking a really nice bit of kit ... if you must weight equalise I think adjusting wings seems to work better than different sails. Wing adjustment has worked well for a number of classes, have any classes be successful doing weight equalisation with sails sizes?
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