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    Posted: 17 May 13 at 11:08am
Hi Clive, Keith - I am also a 100 owner, Dave:-)
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Not sure if I like the current rule proposal entirely.

The class could either have a free for all and pick your weapon for the day. In which case if it is light weather then the lightweights will score with the 10.2 Or if it is very windy then the larger frame will probably do well with a 8.4.

Or we could have a weight equalisation system like the 700s or 800s based on height and sailing weight. I am 91kg in the raw so I guess my sailing weight is a bit more. I prefer the 8.4 in a blow as I find it easier to handle but would not want to be forced to sail a 10.2. If that happened then it would be yet another reason not to opens.
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Originally posted by Contender443

Well my experience is that at 92kg (ish) I found the 10.2 a handful and had to depower very early. I also found it a pig to gybe without the kite especially from reach to reach. Now I generally sail club courses which are either triangle sausage or trapezoids.

Why is it at our club we always have a long beat into the tide and a very short blast downwind with the kite?

I find when doing triangles on the reaches the majority of the time I cannot fly the kite as I am generally overpowered. Then I get stuffed by Laser2s and RS500s who with their trap can carry their kite quite high. Maybe I should just pop the kite up and carry it for as long as I can but then I need to bear away to drop. [I agree it can be a big on a traditional triangle. I tend to head high, then hoist, but calling the point is interesting. I also suspect what the rest of us call triangles, pondmonkey calls RTC. RTC to me means what we do, 8 marks and a cats cradle course of alls sorts of angles]

In the meantime the Lasers are catching me up because they are not gaffing with a kite on the reaches and sail by the lee on the run.

So I donot find the 8.4 a good handicap boat on our courses and am probably sailing closer to 1035. This year one of our good Laser sailors has bought an 8.4 and he is finding the same thing. 

Would I change class? No not at the moment because when I get the right course or just don't care then it is great fun.

Will I do open meetings and the nationals? Probably not because there is not enough choice in the RS100 UK calendar. [we actually discussed event regularity at the AGM, reaching a consensus that one a month was about right - with the knowledge that there are likely to be good turnouts at Chi Fed Week and at Poole thanks to their strong fleets] There are too many European events in the calendar and you get the feeling this is a manufacturers marketing ploy.

One final point which rig is the one for the international class? I am surprised ISAF have let such a wooly description go with the 2 rigs allowed in the first place. I would have thought like the Laser each rig should be an international class in its own right. [It is an interesting observation that the Laser was well established before the alternate rigs came along and I am not sure how RS got away with it either. And this is the same ISAF taking Laser performance's side against Bruce Kirby - oops, wrong thread]
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Repeating myself i still think the cost of the boat is quite prohibitive for a lot of people who would sail them.
I got my boat at the same time as having young kids so the days of driving down south for travellers on a weekend and not so popular these days so not experienced the boat in big fleets but as a PY boat it is obviously dependant on the course and a good downwind leg is important but I actually really enjoy the challenge when I don't always get a perfect course for it. 
I suppose I'm just grateful to get out on the water in a wonderful boat these days!!! Smile
This forum continues to crack me up when I revisit it as the same group of folks are banging on about the same sort of stuff again and again.
Lets remember that this public forum thread helped us be involved in the development of the 100 to become the great boat it is today....
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Originally posted by fab100

 

This is an RS100 Owners Thread so it's interesting that the nonsense comes from non-100 owners. 



If you don't want any public comment then take this to the rs100 owners private website ... It is you who is bringing this rule change here for public discussion. 


Wrong again. 

It was James the Pondmonkey who brought it here (on page 179). Not a 100 owner, but an ex-owner
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Originally posted by r2d2

Hi Clive, Keith - I am also a 100 owner, Dave:-)

Apologies
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FAB 100

You may be one of only a couple of current RS100 sailors on this thread, but there are plenty of us former 100 sailors, so comments not unreasonable surely? The 10.2 has a lot of power for the leverage and it is very hard to gybe cleanly in a breeze if you have a reason to not have the kite up - I completely agree with those comments and I was 10.2 weight, but often reverted to the 8.4. The 7 m is sailed successfully at our club, but usually windy and course dependent.
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Originally posted by r2d2

and anyway it ought to be up to the 100 sailors how they organise their own events and prizes.

absolutely, but in the writing of this proposal the CA are trying to impose a clas rule applicable at championships (and according to the vibe on the forum likely to be extended to open meetings for common sense reasons).  

Yet you don't want to apply this for your club racing.

That's a little disingenuous and given the history the class has already had in getting its sh*t in one sock over PY, it seems a tad, well, 'disrespectful'.    

And sorry, it does look from the outside like the 10.2 is being unceremoniously dumped... what 4 real competitors at the 2012 nationals?  I can't see why they'd bother going back once/if this proposal goes through.  They get to start with the 8.4s and then get shouted at for 'interfering in the proper race'... no thanks.  Not the spirit the class started with at all.  

I don't feel I've lost anything btw, and a little harsh, considering I personally sorted out the statement that pushed the duel PY back on the table (despite my personal view on the matter)... However, nothing's lost- I sold my 100 when my knees forced the issue, not when there was no one left to sail against on the circuit because the 8.4 sailors voted 'me' out....  Thumbs Down

Anyway, it appears the best form to shut down this conversation is to say 'you're not 100 sailors, you don't have a right to comment'... tough luck boys, it's sailing, it's a development proposed by the class in a dinghy that probably benefits, certainly benefited immensely from this very forum...  rough with the smooth n' all that, but you're all sounding a bit 'spoilt brattish' saying we can't discuss it here.  


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Originally posted by pondmonkey

 but in the writing of this proposal the CA are trying to impose a class rule applicable at championships (and according to the vibe on the forum likely to be extended to open meetings for common sense reasons).  

You are at it again James - we are the Class Association. No one is imposing anything.

Our representatives on the committee have proposed something and put it to the membership. In due course it will get voted on, although I suspect from the feedback on the class forum it may well get withdrawn first (as it misses things like the 7.2 rig as has been pointed out)

Notwithstanding that, the sailors decide. This is not the EEC
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Originally posted by Contender443

So I do not find the 8.4 a good handicap boat on our courses and am probably sailing closer to 1035. This year one of our good Laser sailors has bought an 8.4 and he is finding the same thing.

Thanks Mark- and yes 'RTC' does include triangles as it is not W/L... (not quite sure what smoke and mirrors Clive's pulling there, but still)

If you compare your findings at Lancing with this performance analysis taken from the class association site, it proves my point about the grossly different performance window between W/L racing and Non-W/L racing (if I'm not allowed to call that RTC anymore...)

here it shows an average PY of 971- and that's against a background description of 'light winds' too.  Which is obviously quite a significant bit lower than the RYA recommended 1000 and your own stats of 1035.

Another cracking example for adjusting numbers locally, however how a sail committee goes about that is a matter for several other threads entirely...


 
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