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    Posted: 16 May 22 at 12:21pm
OK, here's where I am, I am in a minority group in sailing, I live a fairly blameless life, I don't appreciate being told I need to change, don't think I do need to change.
My sailing is done in a 'Last of the summer wine' style, more fun and games than effing and blinding other sailors out of the way, I have been known to throw a wet sponge in curmudgeons direction.
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Maybe people should stop trying to rewind pond sailing in the Midlands to last century and look at what sorts of sailing are doing OK elsewhere in the World.

Why? Racing in this country isn't particularly broken. Add to that the thought that we are on the cusp of needing club and local circuit racing more than ever and we actually have a really good infrastructure if people are sensible and clubs work together.
The biggest threat to the sport that I see at my club is that we are slowly being forced to morph into something that none of the members actually want under the guise of enabling the club to survive - I see such "survival" as in name only.

I see no sign of either of these two things happening  at my local clubs or at clubs I visit while doing opens . 



Let’s revisit this in 10 years time :)
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Absolutely take it at face value Sussex Lad - great posts; but these things have been said before in more affluent times and fallen on deaf ears.  

With cost of living significantly increasing, the wealth divide getting greater and the cost of boats and ancillary sailing equipment seemingly outstripping inflation, the UK model for boat-owner racing clubs has inevitable contraction - which aren't great for diversity and accessibility
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This is an interesting discussion and I've so far only been lurking, with not much to add until now.

I absolutely agree the great-god television is a bane in so many ways. 

But so far, I think we've missed a major barrier to entry; when it comes to club racing, particularly in dinghies, we've all got too good in a hugely skill's-based sport. (even you TT)

Look at the photos from back in the 'heyday'  - the clothing was crap, the sails were often awful (much of any Mirror fleet with the lowest-bidder Jeckells sails) and the majority were bumbling around, not flat, not trimmed, rig not tuned and with no idea what a wind shift or bend was.

A beginner therefore had company. 

It's not like that anymore. Our club's Cadet and Tera fleets get more formal training in a season than an Olympian used to over a campaign, back when it was every amateur (or even "amateur") for himself.

Sails are better, boats are better, clothing's better and some of us have had decades of practice getting better. Anyone starting from scratch, aged over 25 (say) is really going to struggle.

Jumping on a bike, or a paddleboard does not require dinghy racing's diverse skill and knowledge sets in the same way. Ours being the ultimate sport is truly both a blessing and a curse.

We can be as inclusive as Scandinavian convention on woke-ness, but in being inclusive we should surely recognise that it's a damn steep learning curve for anyone and everyone that starts from scratch.

Annoyingly, I don't have a magic bullet for this (not even my book is the universal panacea, dammit). Even when we baby-boomers shuffle off, too many have passed the knowledge to the offspring. Perhaps the answer is a pitch simply that sailing is the ultimate sport, for life, and you need to get (your kids) in on the secret. And get Jo Rowling to shift her focus Arthur Ransome-wards.


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Sailing or Racing. Strikes me more than ever two distinctly different activities possibly attracting completely different mind sets and ambitions. What are you trying to sell, a sport or a pleasant in quite often relaxing pastime locations. Who are selling it to, competitive "Strava time" types or the mindfulness and well being set? 
  
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Absolutely take it at face value Sussex Lad - great posts; but these things have been said before in more affluent times and fallen on deaf ears.  

With cost of living significantly increasing, the wealth divide getting greater and the cost of boats and ancillary sailing equipment seemingly outstripping inflation, the UK model for boat-owner racing clubs has inevitable contraction - which aren't great for diversity and accessibility
boat owner dinghy racng is actually a potetially pretty cheap sport. Back when I started, there were more young people with no cash involved. but the kind of people who are any good at sailing can generally earn a good wage. Problem is, everyone wants new shiny stuff and they want to win. There are tons of boats for not much money, which are yards better than what we raced in the 70s and don't need the maintenance. But on here as much as anywhere, people are negatve about racing cheap boats, old boats, boats with replica parts.  This is why I wondered whether LP might be pursuing some other model wth the Por*Star, like having a fleet of boats and sticking different sailors in each week, at top ability level as well as down the amateur end. It's nothing new, keelboats have been doing it for decades to my knowledge. fundamentally more expensiv though, althouh the capital cost is split many ways, the cost of employing people to make it happen is significant.
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Originally posted by Do Different

Who are selling it to, competitive "Strava time" types or the mindfulness and well being set? 
  

you can be both - given the mental health benefits of mountain biking, why not dinghy sailing?

this was this weekend:




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Originally posted by 423zero

OK, here's where I am, I am in a minority group in sailing, I live a fairly blameless life, I don't appreciate being told I need to change, don't think I do need to change.
My sailing is done in a 'Last of the summer wine' style, more fun and games than effing and blinding other sailors out of the way, I have been known to throw a wet sponge in curmudgeons direction.


Nobody has told you you need to change. I suggested that a broader appeal to sailing might be an option. Others have disagreed so no change and that is fair enough.

Had others agreed then some ideas would have had to change obviously. Maybe some perspectives would have changed but ultimately we dunno cos we didn't go there.





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Originally posted by fab100

And get Jo Rowling to shift her focus Arthur Ransome-wards.

I don't think she's the biggest role-model for the wokerati ... but hey, let's not go back there again.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Do Different

Who are selling it to, competitive "Strava time" types or the mindfulness and well being set? 
  

you can be both - given the mental health benefits of mountain biking, why not dinghy sailing?

this was this weekend:



It might be a bit of a struggle to get a boat up there
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