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    Posted: 20 Jan 12 at 10:11am
I have a gybing strop and do find it handy, although I know some advocates of grabbing the gnav arms instead.

1-sail gybing is tricky - lots of practice, perhaps an s-curve bear way as soon as you are 100% sure the boom is crossing, and don't be shy to cross and be on the new windward side before the boom crosses the centreline. I learned sailing 14s years ago, do not just land on the new windward side, hit it, pushing down hard on arrival. All these add up to making sure it knows you are the boss. Oh, and let the kicker right-off! As often as not, if I drop it in on a 1-sail gybe, its cos i got a fail on that one.


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Originally posted by fab100

Oh, and let the kicker right-off! As often as not, if I drop it in on a 1-sail gybe, its cos i got a fail on that one.




Curious about that.

In a Phantom (which must have similar 1 sail speed to an RS100) if I do that then I have to go so far by the lee to get the whole sail to gybe, that I'm almost guaranteed a dunking. A bit of kicker makes the S steer much less dramatic.

For me the secret to one sail gybing is speed...even if you have to head up a little before the gybe to build it....

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rb, you don't need to run by the lee in a phantom but I do agree on the speed, its the same in any class. if you are fast then as the sail comes out of the other side of the gybe there is less loading on the rig which won't push you over. the phantom also looks easier in the mainsheet is further aft and if needs be you can grab that to pull the sail over. the RS seems to have the sheet further forward, also as a single sheet to the boom at the front means that you can't use that method. a gybing strop would be useful there.

Another method that I have used in the phantom and 300 is mid gybe straighten the tiller up sharply which sort of flicks the main across quickly saving the s move. The main that has been mentioned though is to get your bum on the new windward gunwhale before the boom has crossed the boat, then you ain't going to tip over and you can power out of the gybe as well
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I think he's has got a reasonable excuse - pretty sure he was Fireball National and European Champion (with Nigel B) when I first met him - and that was 30 years ago and a LOT of miles on the water at a very high level since then ! Makes my back twinge just thinking about it and I have only been sailing a hiking boat for just under two years now.

You should think yourselves lucky he's sailing a 100 as I do recall he wasn't too bad in a 600 !!!!!!

Don't underestimate it - he was bloody good in a 600, i remember he missed his home national on Torbay (2010) due to a bad back so it must be a long running thing
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Originally posted by rb_stretch

Originally posted by fab100

Oh, and let the kicker right-off! As often as not, if I drop it in on a 1-sail gybe, its cos i got a fail on that one.



In a Phantom (which must have similar 1 sail speed to an RS100) if I do that then I have to go so far by the lee to get the whole sail to gybe, that I'm almost guaranteed a dunking. A bit of kicker makes the S steer much less dramatic.

For me the secret to one sail gybing is speed...even if you have to head up a little before the gybe to build it....

I think the difference is the relatively restricted travel from the 100s gnav - to get the thing tight enough upwind, even fully eased I personally cannot then get much twist. From the few times I've sailed 3 different phants, there was enough travel in each cascade to enable far more twist than I can ever get in my 100.

Agree about the speed. Worst day I had in the 100 was when our pondweed was at its peak and it was gusting 20+ knots. The rig would power up and up as the boat ground to a virtual halt from the weed. Something would have to give - that something being uprightness
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I have just been made aware of the Winter Warm-Up at Datchet, which takes place every sunday in Feb with 2 races each day. £37 gives you entry to all of the races and boat storage for the whole series. What a bargain.

We would be racing in the Asymmetric fleet on a WW/LW course. There are currently 11 RS100's at Datchet and I know of a few others who are going to do the series, so it could be a great turn out, plus with Andrew Wilson (Vareo National Champ) sailing hs new RS100 there is a good standard too.

I am going to go up and sail on the 12th (Only one I can do!!) so it would be great to see some others up there!! Who else is keen?


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I thought that the gnav was the same as the 300's but I guess then there isn't as much travel in it.
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Originally posted by Contender443

I sail a 10.2 and race regularily against a 8.4 and we have some pretty level racing. However due to some marathon training I am losing some weight and hope to get below 90kg. So should I consider the 8.4 rig.
 

I do struggle upwind in waves and in a blow so interesting to hear that the smaller rig may be an advantage. Does it also mean you can sail a tighter reach? We do a lot of triangle/sausage and trapezoid courses at our club.

 


Finally any tips on gybing without the kite? This has caused me more capsizes than anything. Perhaps I should get round to fitting that gybing strop.


My natural weight is about 90kg (14stone) and I'm 6'1" - I am very happy on the 8.4 in all conditions. Whilst I was able to handle the 10.2 in pretty much all conditions (i.e keep the boat upright) I realise now I wasn't able to really drive it in the way it can be. The 8.4 allows me to do this, particularly when sailing on open water.

The 8.4 is definitely a LOT easier to gybe, primarily because there is a lot less roach and of course the foot length is shorter. For me one sail gybing with the 10.2 in any breeze was a pretty brutal affair usually resulting in a swim !! The real killer was when the boom came across but the head didn't and the boom went back again ! There are some techniques that help (Paul and Alex make it look pretty easy) - I found that keeping some kicker on (definitely on the 10.2) reduced the twist, sheeting in a bit helps but the real key is the steered 'S' combined with a short sharp tug on the sheet (or gybing strop) - speed is of course the biggest aid as it massively reduces the loadings.

I think you will find it all much easier with the 8.4 as even with the kicker fully off there is still some leach tension and this sail is a lot less twisty than the 10.2. Still pretty fierce if it goes from shroud-to-shroud though !!!

Doesn't really make a lot of difference reaching (with the kite) as the kite is the biggest factor to what angle you can sail as you can dump the main. in average conditions one sail reaching the 10.2 does have an advantage provided you can hold it down - we have seen this in class races reaching across to the spreader mark but once the kite is up I don't reckon there is any loss.

Hope this helps.

Edited by ChrisC - 20 Jan 12 at 5:15pm
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Mark- I was 96kg when I sailed my 100, even at that weight as soon as there was any wind I found the 8.4 such a nice sail to use, in fact I thought the boat was better balanced with it and Chris is bang on the money, it really lets you foot off a bit and drive the boat upwind and is simply so much easier to gybe off it.  (I don't get this crap about the boat not sailing well in chop; that's bullsh*t, whoever was sailing like that was simply trying to sail too high!)

The only issues I had was when the wind dropped sub 10 knots on single sail reaches, I really struggled here, but at under 90kg on open water down there... do youself a favour and buy the sail Isabelle can use nice 8.4 sail too.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Contender443 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jan 12 at 6:00pm
I wonder if RS are doing any offers on a set of sails Wink
 
Mind you having a 10.2 keeps the girls at bay (both Isabelle and Elodie love the boat but are scared by the 10.2).
 
Now has anyone got a secondhand one for sale?
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