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tickler 
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 Topic: V TwinPosted: 01 Feb 11 at 5:33pm |
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Right.......it'll be at the Dinghy Show then.......
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Rupert
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Posted: 01 Feb 11 at 6:14pm |
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What year?
Well done for jumping, you have my sincere admiration for having the guts, seeing as I haven't...
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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tickler
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Posted: 01 Feb 11 at 6:39pm |
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I had wondered if Steve Cockeril's creation will re-appear this year in perfected form. Or has it sunk without trace? I thought that last year showing the boat in development form miss fired a bit.
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WoodenBoatLuvver
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Posted: 02 Feb 11 at 11:09pm |
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It'll need more than warp speed and a telekenetic transporter to beam it down to that dinghy show,
You can make your rocket ship outta that stuff too...
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Ruscoe
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Posted: 02 Feb 11 at 11:37pm |
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I popped into Rooster on Monday to buy some replacement hotsocks. The project X looked very sorry for itself sat in the grass by his car park... Such a shame if nothing comes of it.
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 03 Feb 11 at 8:09am |
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As I recall the business model for that was low cost high volume, not something that's likely to be achieved in a recession in a *dwindling sport. A better route would be high cost high value, or get some old minger class, tart it up and appeal to the perfidious side of human nature.. * Grafham SC numbers down again 8% last year
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Chris 249
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Posted: 04 Feb 11 at 10:40am |
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Said it before, I'll say it again....
I'll be glad if the Project X goes nowhere. People love to hate the Laser but it's the most successful dinghy in our sport (Opti apart). Why knife something in the back when it's working so well around the world? Surely any reasonable sport would be able to agree to have ONE truly international adult's piece of equipment, rather than 50 different ones sailed in just a few countries. There just doesn't seem to be any sense in attacking the class that IS working, when so many other sectors are dwindling. It's the adult's high performance crewed boats that need fixing up, not the Laser/Solo section of the market - that's the strongest section of the adult market these days. The Project X seemed to be aimed at "healing" the healthiest part of the market in a way that could only disrupt it, when other parts of the market are in dire need of strong medicine. About the V Twin - there's been some big boats with that hull shape. The only one I saw in action was a moderate performer and went into the shed years ago to revert to a conventional shape. Peter Milne had a big Fireball development with twin bows, not twin sterns, that seemed to be an interesting idea. But anything that could get some renewed interest in scows could be a good thing.
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tickler
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Posted: 04 Feb 11 at 11:37am |
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It seems a little harsh to wish failure on Mr Cockerill but I could never see his figures adding up. I also wish GRF luck although I think he is designing for a market of one.
In my opinion the trouble with Laser is the ancient rig and although they are such a successfull international class surely it would be so much better with a Byte C2 type rig. That would help to drag all those old hulls out of the nettles and get them on the water. We don't need a new basic singlehander just update the old market leader. |
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laser193713
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Posted: 04 Feb 11 at 11:54am |
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I would agree that the laser needs updating, but i think it would kill it! not because of the concept, but because you just know that laser would charge a grand for a new fancy sail and another grand for the carbon bits to go with it! Plus there are so many modern alternatives that its not harder to find a nicer boat at a price that would be cheaper than upgrading an old laser with new parts. Throwing any money at an old laser is a waste, the hulls go soft and the new bits instantly lose their value as spares.
As for the v-twin i would be interested to see a working prototype. I think that is the only safe way of knowing if it has any potential. I still maintain that it should have twin daggers and probably twin rudders. How about semi sinking hulls to allow it to be righted easily? if this is going to be aimed at any sort of market other than an enthusiastic designer then it is going to need some good USPs to make it different to the competition not just in how it sails but in how can be managed. |
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tickler
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Posted: 04 Feb 11 at 12:41pm |
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Why would laser have to do it? If Rooster took the rig proposed for project x and modified it for laser hull it would not cost that much. An alternative class could be born which would grow over the years and engulf the original one. And do Laser hulls really deteriorate that much? A 20 year old Byte won the Nationals last year and that is just a polyester lay up.
Regarding V-tin I suppose twin boards demand twin rudders. |
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