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    Posted: 30 Jan 11 at 9:31pm
I'm a little bit biased towards the Contender at the mo. Done RS600 and MPS, know what GRF means about the MPS above F3 for mere mortals like me; am now happily sailing a Contender on the sea and enjoying F5-6, although getting under the boom can be entertaining - I dont think GRF would be too impressed with that :-)
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Yes I know I need a Contender, there's five of them at our club now, it's an excellent sea boat, has a retracting plate, a big one, knifes upwind and a few years ago, by now, I'd have capitulated and accepted my limitations.
 I'd do well when it's light, then get beaten when its windy, according to the weight and height of my fellow competitors, just like what happens in every boat I've owned except the Alto, in which we used to do quite well on and off across the wind range, if we did it right.

But it's heavy and the Class luddites want to keep it that way, it's got an old sail plan, can't see that changing any time soon, and it's another boat where a degree of indignity is required bending under that boom, brown nosing the deck as you go through.

And Imagine if this thing of mine works, and 40-45+ year olds can get to sail fast, without practising too much, good sailors of yore, don't have to go scrabbling for parking spots for their zimmer frames in the Solo, OK or Streaker boat parks.

If it provides a really stable platform to harness all the power and rig stability available to us these days from modern rigs, yet remains a close quarter tactical device, happy on the sea or on lakes and res's. 
Hardly ever goes over, yet if it does is easy to get back the right way up and get back into. (That tunnel hull will provide a useful step to get up onto the plate, or once it's back up, it wont fall over again allowing a return over the stern if necessary.)
I'm not as young or agile as I once was and the future isn't going to see much of an improvement in that regard, yet the lust for performance hasn't died yet, so if it is feasible to lay more power through those twin planing surfaces and I get to experience twenty something knots without the dread of what's going to happen rounding the corner, then I want some and I'm fairly sure others might also.


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Have you considered the Sailing World boat of the year 2010..... the Weta. In all seriosusness, from the pictures and videos that I've seen on the net, they look like real good fun and as they aren't cats, you don't have to become a "lame cat sailor". They seem to tick a hell of a lot of the boxes the V-Twin project does. One of the nice bits about the tri is that when you go tack, if you ensure the leeward outer hull is out of the water, the boat handles like a mono as the outrigers are set at an angle so when the boat is absolutely flat, my impression of what I've seen, is that both outer hulls are clear of the water. Saying that though, IF the V-Twin exceeded expectations, you may capture some of the Weta market. Big IF though and I'm not too sure how big that market is, my local dinghy parks are hardly flooded with Wetas.
 
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Originally posted by Menace

Have you considered the Sailing World boat of the year 2010..... the Weta. 
 

I can honestly say.

Not even for a nanosecond.

I may be 'getting on a bit', I get horrendous stick from my wind and kite surfing pals for even sitting in a dinghy, I'm driving a Mini ffs albeit  a big ish Mini, the countryman, but it's still a Mini. I've taken to selling Kayaks and Bikes with baskets on the front, I have even been spotted recently in a supermarket pushing a trolley, all in all, my hard core street cred has already been lacerated and my world is beset with lameness at every turn.

But I'm clinging on to life, just.

Sailing that thing? I might just as well open up my wrists.

 I'll get away with the V Twin because it'll go under the cover of my general eccentricity (they all think I'm a bit of a nutter because I've done loads of things before they were generally accepted)they still all fall about talking about my 'water pusher' Speed Week attempt, so I'll get away with it, but only if it works which I'm still convinced it will.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Yes I know I need a Contender,
......

But it's heavy and the Class luddites want to keep it that way, it's got an old sail plan, can't see that changing any time soon, and it's another boat where a degree of indignity is required bending under that boom, brown nosing the deck as you go through.

...


So why not just deal with the weight and rig?
Keep the hull shape that isn't too bad, or maybe move it along progresively.
Maybe small racks would give good power to weight without being silly?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote timeintheboat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 11 at 9:32pm
Originally posted by Menace

Have you considered the Sailing World boat of the year 2010..... the Weta.


I agree he Weta is a good boat and could probably just do with souping up a bit. Bigger kite out of a chute, thinner outriggers and sort that mainsheet out. The Weta X.
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Hmmm, sounds like a blaze to me
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Yes I know I need a Contender, there's five of them at our club now, it's an excellent sea boat, has a retracting plate, a big one, knifes upwind and a few years ago, by now, I'd have capitulated and accepted my limitations.
 I'd do well when it's light, then get beaten when its windy, according to the weight and height of my fellow competitors, just like what happens in every boat I've owned except the Alto, in which we used to do quite well on and off across the wind range, if we did it right.

But it's heavy and the Class luddites want to keep it that way, it's got an old sail plan, can't see that changing any time soon, and it's another boat where a degree of indignity is required bending under that boom, brown nosing the deck as you go through.

And Imagine if this thing of mine works, and 40-45+ year olds can get to sail fast, without practising too much, good sailors of yore, don't have to go scrabbling for parking spots for their zimmer frames in the Solo, OK or Streaker boat parks.

If it provides a really stable platform to harness all the power and rig stability available to us these days from modern rigs, yet remains a close quarter tactical device, happy on the sea or on lakes and res's. 
Hardly ever goes over, yet if it does is easy to get back the right way up and get back into. (That tunnel hull will provide a useful step to get up onto the plate, or once it's back up, it wont fall over again allowing a return over the stern if necessary.)
I'm not as young or agile as I once was and the future isn't going to see much of an improvement in that regard, yet the lust for performance hasn't died yet, so if it is feasible to lay more power through those twin planing surfaces and I get to experience twenty something knots without the dread of what's going to happen rounding the corner, then I want some and I'm fairly sure others might also.


Deep down you know you should be building one of these. They are designed for just what you are asking for...
http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~pk/farr37/index.html

this guys even nested the parts for lazer cutting.


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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Originally posted by Menace

Have you considered the Sailing World boat of the year 2010..... the Weta. 
 

I can honestly say.

Not even for a nanosecond.

I may be 'getting on a bit', I get horrendous stick from my wind and kite surfing pals for even sitting in a dinghy, I'm driving a Mini ffs albeit  a big ish Mini, the countryman, but it's still a Mini. I've taken to selling Kayaks and Bikes with baskets on the front, I have even been spotted recently in a supermarket pushing a trolley, all in all, my hard core street cred has already been lacerated and my world is beset with lameness at every turn.

But I'm clinging on to life, just.

Sailing that thing? I might just as well open up my wrists.

 I'll get away with the V Twin because it'll go under the cover of my general eccentricity (they all think I'm a bit of a nutter because I've done loads of things before they were generally accepted)they still all fall about talking about my 'water pusher' Speed Week attempt, so I'll get away with it, but only if it works which I'm still convinced it will.
 
Oh come on, it was the sailing world boat of the year..... What you need to do is shave all your hair off and start howling at the moon.
 
Lightweight modern contender....... RS600????
 
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Well after much gnawing of my upper lip, a couple of sleepless nights, an alternate construction method that will deliver just the one boat for me to try at not quite such an eye watering price tag and thanks to a couple of encouraging emails through the various 'back channels' that circumvent forums. 

I have decided in the words of Captain Picard, to 'make it so'..

since it reminds me of the Starship Enterprise for some inexplicable reason.

Wether it'll come fitted with warp drive remains to be seen.


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