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    Posted: 07 Mar 17 at 9:24am
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by JimC

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start up a new club just around the corner

Waterside land was a little cheaper back then...

Sailing clubs don't need premises or land, they need water. My holiday club has no clubhouse or formal membership just an email list and we turn up on the beach at the appointed time, pay out £5 and race. Outgoings = £0 so every penny goes to our chosen charity, the local RNLI crew. Okay it helps that most of our 'members' spend their weekends on one of two caravan sites adjacent to the beach from which we launch but we get good sailing. The racing is more fun racing than good club standard, but that encourages those who don't normally race to take part and we had, typically, 25 boats out on each regatta day. And, the local lifeboat turns out to give us safety cover (they use it as a training day).

That paradigm wouldn't suit everybody but it has been going since 1961 and works well. We have other fundraisers too and presented Holyhead Lifeboat crew a cheque for £1350 at the end of last season.
No insurance?
No formal provision of safety cover?
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Big mistake going for social members, we got to exactly that point this summer when the 'cheap Beach Hut by the sea only minutes from town' element voted overwhelmingly to stay put in our constricted old wooden shack and refused to even entertain the possibility of a brand new club with more facilities and boat storage.

Like rs400atC said, you can get meals, social stuff everywhere but somewhere to launch and race boats are fast dilapidating or disappearing.


Having social membership is fine but social membership should not have any voting rights ....

Only goons would allow their club to be overrun by giving social members a vote.

I'd advise you remove their vote ASAP by rallying all the full sailing members before it is too late ...
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Big mistake going for social members, [...]

For once the Inland Revenue is giving us a hand here: in order to achieve CASC status ("Community Amateur Sports Club"), and the associated benefit in taxes/regulations, you need to show that your members are actively participating in the sport; thus requiring an active membership that does actually sail and not just prop up the bar and galley.

How this is handled in practice might vary from club to club, but it is a useful incentive to keep the proportion of sailing vs social members up, and thus making sure the club is run with the interests of the sailors in mind.
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.....disagreements nearly always boil down to a purists v liberal standoff, even good natured ones, regardless of the subject. Neither side is a purely rational position either but more a result of what feels right for that individual.

As a suggestion I reckon a more inclusive, open approach would be a good idea, it sort of makes sense if attracting more participants is the goal.

If greater participation is not the goal (and some have said it isn't) the end result could be an endlessly decreasing number of participants as they all slowly distill down to their purest form.

Maybe there's a middle path, Maybe "sailing" was closer to that middle path a few years ago, it would certainly seem so if the comparison of historic and current activity on this forum is any gauge. I'm not just talking about quantity either, I'm thinking of breadth, inclusivity........perhaps that distillation process I mentioned earlier has already taken it's toll.........If it has then fairly soon there will be one bloke left with a hardon, lustfully spouting racing dinghy sailing in it's purest form to no one.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

start up a new club just around the corner

Waterside land was a little cheaper back then...

Sailing clubs don't need premises or land, they need water. My holiday club has no clubhouse or formal membership just an email list and we turn up on the beach at the appointed time, pay out £5 and race. Outgoings = £0 so every penny goes to our chosen charity, the local RNLI crew. Okay it helps that most of our 'members' spend their weekends on one of two caravan sites adjacent to the beach from which we launch but we get good sailing. The racing is more fun racing than good club standard, but that encourages those who don't normally race to take part and we had, typically, 25 boats out on each regatta day. And, the local lifeboat turns out to give us safety cover (they use it as a training day).

That paradigm wouldn't suit everybody but it has been going since 1961 and works well. We have other fundraisers too and presented Holyhead Lifeboat crew a cheque for £1350 at the end of last season.
No insurance?

Required for the sailors/boats who run the racing as a collective. There is no 'club' entity as such.

No formal provision of safety cover?

Apart from the RNLI?
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No insurance?

Required for the sailors/boats who run the racing as a collective. There is no 'club' entity as such.

No formal provision of safety cover?


Apart from the RNLI?

Clearly it depends what you sail, where you sail and how you sail it, but if you are, for example, sailing a high performance boat on the open sea - is it really reasonable to expect the RNLI to be your primary safety cover? Even the best crews can have gear failure, get caught out by changing conditions etc.

I do know someone who was an RNLI crew member who capsized when out alone in a very public place at sea and found himself being rescued by his other crew members - he says there was no real problem, but it took some living down!
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I may have worded that badly, but we are not relying on the RNLI as punters, the RNLI inshore crew are our safety cover when we race, they come over and and use the opportunity as a training exercise. As I understand it (before my time) they instigated the practice. This is a consequence of the close relationship we have had with the local crew for many years. All our fundraising (from donations on race days to book sales and even an annual 'Band On The Beach' gig) is for the local crew and we hand over a cheque for several hundred pounds every autumn (£1350 last year).
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OK, fair enough!
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Personally I would be concerned that you are taking money from the public (since the punters are not members of a club?) therefore all sorts of H&S should apply.
Some of these punters are under 18?
What happens if the RNLI get a shout the other side of the bay? Do you all go ashore before they zoom off?

With the best will in the world, accidents can and do happen.
Then what?
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I may have worded that badly, but we are not relying on the RNLI as punters, the RNLI inshore crew are our safety cover when we race, they come over and and use the opportunity as a training exercise. As I understand it (before my time) they instigated the practice. This is a consequence of the close relationship we have had with the local crew for many years. All our fundraising (from donations on race days to book sales and even an annual 'Band On The Beach' gig) is for the local crew and we hand over a cheque for several hundred pounds every autumn (£1350 last year).

Personally it sounds like a bloody good idea to me. Great stuff. Carry on  Wink
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