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    Posted: 24 Mar 15 at 3:02pm
The D-Zero is an affiliated class not administered by the RYA so we manage our own class rules. As domany others.
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The current National Class system does seem to be pretty much moribund. I had to go through the RYA to get a new certificate when I had my Firefly remeasured, but I'm not sure what the point of it all is any more. For those who want more RYA input in handicap racing, it might be worth taking a look at what the RYA have done to help "their" classes before wondering whether handicap events would really be better off.

I'd love to see a huge shot in the arm from the RYA for dinghy sailing at club racing and class level, but in doing that there would there be winners and losers? If big turnout classes get more support, what is the future for the smaller ones - and how does a new boat like the Zero break into that support network? If some clubs get RYA support for their handicap events, what happens to those who don't?
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I would guess the question is what could the RYA do that it is not already doing?

There is a lot of support there for clubs both in funding and for help and advice. Hunts has recently had a Club Race Coach course which is part funded by the RYA Performance section. This has given us some more Race Coaches so we can run more 'get ready to race' type courses. The rest is really down to the club IMO to have a development plan and support all members. 

We have some at Hunts who we only ever see on a Saturday afternoon who come down with a picnic and go out for a cruise round the lake. they have no interest in racing but like the social side and like to get out.

Then we have those who don;t feel confident enough to race (the start line can be a scary place to a novice). So it is those that can be helped by the club most. 

The RYA can also help clubs tap in to sources of funding to buy club boats and equipment to get people out on the water.

The help is there, it just needs to be asked for!
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I think it is more towards the coordination and support of racing events that people are looking - the RYA already does lots for personal and club development.

Personally, I'm struggling a little to see what they could contribute, but that is probably because I'm looking at it too narrowly. I think if you start with a blank sheet of paper, you get different answers to that which you get if looking at where to go from where we currently are.
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I would say it is because they kind of underpin all the open events anyway as venues/clubs are RYA affiliated so the RYA is providing support even if it is not there do the direct administration.
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Honestly, it's not about money for boats or chucking money at the existing system, it's about a root and branch shake up to the whole moribund rooted in the fifties mess, try and explain to them and lots of you that people can't be asked with all the bullsh*t.

It needs to be easy to access, simple to understand and fun in its application, we have just the one of those.

There need to be more access points, what gets taught needs to also be tailored to regular participation, I'm not even sure what happens on sailing courses do they even teach you that you need to race to get the most out of your new hobby?

I guess right now all we rely on for more racers are returnee kid drop outs from squads gone by, rather than approaching adults and teaching them racing from scratch, which is where having a tailored handicap system would be key.


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Teaching adults from scratch? Yep. Encouraging them to race, yep. Getting them from level 2 to a point where they are truly competent? Not so good. Courses are under subscribed. Ladies groups get some of the way at some clubs. Youth level at clubs, no problem. Adult males? Really difficult. To Tue point where I've wondered if there is as much need for a Gentlemen's Group as there is Ladies and Juniors.
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It seems to me that the RYA is just too fat for the organisation it controls and in recent years too rich as well. At our club it's main purpose seems to be giving us money. Last year we did an acceptable amount of training, ticked all the boxes and were given a new rib. Thank you very much we can race them now! The fact that half those trainees were scrotty kids who we will never see again or elderly men bored with golf seems not to matter. We have retained some of these which is a very good thing but do we need another rib? I know that their remit through Sport England is to encourage participation but how would the average lottery player feel when queuing for his fags, Carlsburg and rollover jackpot thing if he knew that his money was being given to a load of affluent middle class people to play with toys?
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Originally posted by Rupert

Teaching adults from scratch? Yep. Encouraging them to race, yep. Getting them from level 2 to a point where they are truly competent? Not so good. Courses are under subscribed. Ladies groups get some of the way at some clubs. Youth level at clubs, no problem. Adult males? Really difficult. To Tue point where I've wondered if there is as much need for a Gentlemen's Group as there is Ladies and Juniors.


Given that in Healthcare certain of the 'merit badge' courses  often run 'consultant only'  courses so insecure consultants aren't embarassed by being 'beaten' in the  testing phase  by an SHO or, god forbid, a Nurse or Paramedic ...  

The beyond level 2 issue is the same as  why 'advanced driving'  tuition as offered by the IAM and RoADA is looked down on by  some people  ( the IAM ticket for life  stuff is a sideshow to that) - but offer someone the chance the do the same course  but  let them play with flashing lights and two tone horns at the end of it they'll snap your hand off  ... 

 plus we've all met DIs and 'Advanced' DIs ( or whather they call the people who can teach  the higher level  these days) who you wonder how they got their 'very good' pass at level 5 standard to get  on a DI course ... which can only harm the credibility of training. 

the  way in which National classes  are adminstered is fairly pointless , let the CAs of the classes manage their class like the other  classes  do  and  then  make the 'new national class structure' be a kite mark  based on both quality of the  management of the class  as a whole and quantity of  boats / CA members / events




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Originally posted by zippyRN

let the CAs of the classes manage their class like the other  classes  do  

That would be MAKE the CAs, since there's no compulsion for classes to retain National status, as indeed the 12s haven't. So you're talking about imposing a change that it would seem the classes in question don't want.
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