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    Posted: 03 Feb 15 at 11:51am
Is there any way of knowing which classes in the list have fropped from a week long Nationals to a weekend or 3 day one?

I suspect that the Firefly has suffered because of staying as a week long event, sailed at sea. Either you go to a holiday resort to attract the families, in which case accommodation can be expensive, or you go somewhere less attractive with cheaper prices, but no one wants to spend a week there - so you lose out either way. My decade or more between Firefly nationals compared to doing the Lightnings almost every year is certainly down to time and cost.
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Originally posted by Null

 
I always find the 505 world championships utilise technology and develop their own unique media coverage which is far and beyond any other class

When you have a billionaire benefactor throwing money at the events its not hard to raise the game ...
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Fair play. That information would make interesting reading. 

However, the numbers in the above post don't mean much, as for example losses in the ablacore and merlin rocket could easily be made up by gains in others. 

The RS200 which has averaged over 115 boats for the last ten years and isn't mentioned. 

I don't doubt you're both right that in general double handers have declined, I'm just not sure that's the right information to show it. 

I think some of the largest growth classes in recent years have been youth single handers. Probably at the expense of parent and children sailing in double handers. Not got the data to back that up though. 


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Originally posted by Dougaldog

From the sailing media viewpoint, the GP14s are, by a long chalk, the most media aware (and that means helpful) of any class that I've had the pleasure of dealing with. Interestingly, the Fireballs, which are getting a good press over in another thread on here, are also a good class when it comes to responding to media enquiries, as are the Miracles. But back to the GP14s; they have 'got it' and clearly understand the value of being accessible to the media. Compare this with some other classes that either take an age to reply to a request, or simply don't bother at all.

Media awareness might only be a small factor, but it is in there all the same. Well done to those classes that get it right!

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Interesting point,  from a media perspective we (D-Zero) class have had no correspondence via the class association.  We would Welcome it.  We are a new class and try and embrace new ways of thinking whilst still encompassing an 'Old Fashion' class association style ethos.  Trying to develop a media strategy for a new class nowadays is very difficult as  outside of Facebook and the reports pages on here how do a class go about promoting themselves.  So i guess, who are the sailing 'media' I/We have some great ideas around things we can do to create something different at our championships and if they come off would give us some USP's.  

I always find the 505 world championships utilise technology and develop their own unique media coverage which is far and beyond any other class
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Originally posted by mozzy

Originally posted by JimC

Getting back to sailing, and not promoting TTs new Burger van that he sold his Solo to get, here's some long term numbers.

I took the average Champs turnout for the years 2012-2014 and compared them with the average turnout for 1982-1984. The number is the current turnout as a percentage of the turnout twenty years ago. Unfortunately I only had combined figures for the Laser Champs turnout back then.

RS Feva     New
RS Tera     New
29er     New
RS400     New
Optimist     380%
International Moth     299%
Laser (Std Radial and 4.7)     230%
Topper     230%
Solo     156%
420     124%
GP14     105%
Albacore     78%
Merlin Rocket     71%

But by comparing individual classes you'll always see a decline, as people move out of old classes (which show up less than 100%) and in to new ones (which aren't counted as their 'new'). 

You really need up to count up the total amount of people sailing double handers (of any design) in 82-84 and compare with 12-14.  

I'm fairly sure Jim has done that in this case, and I did that a while ago when I calculated the proportion of singlehanders v doublehanders for the '40s, mid '70s and the early 2000s. In every case, there has been a decline in the proportion of doublehanders.

For many years, the singlehander was a fairly uncommon craft. These days it's the most common type. 

 
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Originally posted by timeintheboat

The 420 is a bit of a suprise as is the GP14, a testament to a well run progressive CA

Apart from the PR issue DD mentioned, how progressive is the GP14 association compared to the Enterprise association, which has seen such a drop in numbers?

This is a genuine question BTW, not an attempt at sarcasm! Smile


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Originally posted by JimC

Getting back to sailing, and not promoting TTs new Burger van that he sold his Solo to get, here's some long term numbers.

I took the average Champs turnout for the years 2012-2014 and compared them with the average turnout for 1982-1984. The number is the current turnout as a percentage of the turnout twenty years ago. Unfortunately I only had combined figures for the Laser Champs turnout back then.

RS Feva     New
RS Tera     New
29er     New
RS400     New
Optimist     380%
International Moth     299%
Laser (Std Radial and 4.7)     230%
Topper     230%
Solo     156%
420     124%
GP14     105%
Albacore     78%
Merlin Rocket     71%

But by comparing individual classes you'll always see a decline, as people move out of old classes (which show up less than 100%) and in to new ones (which aren't counted as their 'new'). 

You really need up to count up the total amount of people sailing double handers (of any design) in 82-84 and compare with 12-14.  
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From the sailing media viewpoint, the GP14s are, by a long chalk, the most media aware (and that means helpful) of any class that I've had the pleasure of dealing with. Interestingly, the Fireballs, which are getting a good press over in another thread on here, are also a good class when it comes to responding to media enquiries, as are the Miracles. But back to the GP14s; they have 'got it' and clearly understand the value of being accessible to the media. Compare this with some other classes that either take an age to reply to a request, or simply don't bother at all.

Media awareness might only be a small factor, but it is in there all the same. Well done to those classes that get it right!

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The 420 is a bit of a suprise as is the GP14, a testament to a well run progressive CA
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Those are interesting numbers. By gut I'd have thought the Solo had grown much more proportionally than the Laser. Also suprised to see the 420 has grown, albeit more slowly than other youth classes.
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