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    Posted: 15 Sep 14 at 10:58am
Its a big chart, but this shows the maximum number of boats at a nationals for each class between 2000 - 2014 (data from Y&Y.com)  It seems to me that some classes focus effort every few years rather than every year, so in some respects this is a fairer way to establish active class size than simply taking average attendance or this years alone.  Mind you it may be better to take only the last six or so years rather than 14.  But anyway:
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Originally posted by gordon

Some old designs still attract large numbers  world wide:Finn, Star, Snipe, Dragon...whilst the Firefly remains the boat for team racing.In their category they provide close tactical racing in which every detail counts. Boat speed alone cannot win races.Many(most) sailors prefer nautical chess to wind powered drag racing!Gordon



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After a while perhaps we realise that even the 'wind powered drag racing' is not really that much quicker than the older classes (and still way slower than boards/cats etc) ?

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A blast across the bay in a fast assy with the kite up is wonderful fun. For me, I like to race slow boats but play in fast ones. Seeing as I sail on a small pond, mostly I race slow ones, and don't get enough of a chance to go blasting anywhere. 
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Originally posted by Punky

Its a big chart, but this shows the maximum number of boats at a nationals for each class between 2000 - 2014 (data from Y&Y.com)  It seems to me that some classes focus effort every few years rather than every year, so in some respects this is a fairer way to establish active class size than simply taking average attendance or this years alone.  Mind you it may be better to take only the last six or so years rather than 14.  But anyway:

Suspect this might actually diss-prove the oft quoted theory on this forum that all those dinosaur-alike symetrcial spinnaker classes are a) boring and old fashioned and b) dying out*, whereas they still dominate numbers wise and are the choice of most non-y&y-forumites. Although why Marblehead is on there is a little confusing....

*or other slang for finished, over, history, roundabout fodder.....

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Radio sailing is part of sailing, so it is normal that there stas are included.
I find it interesting that a radio sailing class is up there with some other respectable classes - Iam surprised that the International One Metre and the RC Laser are not included.

In fact radio sailing stats are misleading because events are always limited to 76, or sometimes 82 entries. There may be more who wish to enter but cannot.

The Marblehead Worlds this year had far more countries represented than some 'International' classes.
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I suspect it represents each class' 'peak popularity' and shouldn't form too much of measure what's current or not- for example it would suggest that the RS100 is higher up the figure than the RS300, in reality my perception is that the 300 is having somewhat of a renaissance with a good short to medium term future, whereas the RS100 is well, erm, not.  

A quick check of the 2014 PY races tally, suggests the 300 is 33% more popular than the 10.2 and 8.4 combined- in handicap racing anyway, but I doubt there's great swathes of either club racing in fleets.




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Exactly James - we love sailing our 300, but prefer to do so with other 3s.  And we have an absolute giggle before during and after sailing!
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Punky, using the maximum national title fleet to measure class activity, rather than the average, appears to create some very odd results.

The Laser 2 hasn't had a nationals since 2009, had 14 members when last reported, and had just 379 races recorded under PY for 2013, so it's hard to see how it could be "larger and more active" than classes that have over 40 boats at the nationals each year and record from 8900 to 2242 races under PY like the Fireball, Scorpion, Merlin and Phantom. 

The Laser Pico hasn't had a nationals since 2010 and had just 844 starts under PY so is it really a larger, more active class than the Supernova (60 at the last nationals, 5097 PY races,) Lark and Streaker?



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It's interesting to look at which classes have so far attracted the biggest entries for this Sunday's Bart's Bash. Although it won't tell the full story, due to the set up of the event (large scale club racing rather than fleet focus racing like a nationals would be) you could argue that it is a good snap shot of what is popular in the UK and around the world at club level this Sunday, almost like a sailing census. 

The top 80 classes (hopefully this has pasted ok) are below as they stand at the moment; oh and the cadet isn't doing too badly...


POSITIONBOAT CLASSPARTICIPANTS
1LASER954
2OPTIMIST442
3TOPPER406
4LASER RADIAL363
5SOLO269
6ENTERPRISE167
7GP14158
8RS 400155
9WAYFARER155
102000 / Laser 2000135
11Clipper 70124
12FINN124
13RS 200123
14LASER 4.7114
15Hobie 16111
16Dart 18107
17RS FEVA XL104
18Flying 1595
19MIRROR94
20RS VISION86
21Laser Pico s/h single sail84
22RS Feva82
23Merlin Rocket76
24PHANTOM67
2542060
26FIREBALL57
27STREAKER56
28COMET56
29RS TERA SPORT51
30Supernova dinghy51
31CADET49
32Foxer44
33FIREFLY41
34ALBACORE39
35rs20038
3629ER36
37NATIONAL 1235
38Lymington River Scow35
39Laser Bahia34
40KESTREL34
41Bosun33
42Laser Pico d/h two sail33
43LARK32
44OK Dinghy (Int.)32
45LIGHTNING 36832
46Dart 1631
47Sunfish (Int.)31
48SCORPION31
49Mirror Dinghy (10’10″)31
50RS VAREO31
51CONTENDER30
52LASER PICO30
53International Moth30
54J2429
55TOPAZ UNO28
56MUSTO SKIFF26
57Windsurfer - Raceboard26
58SQUIB OD25
59XOD24
60Topper 4.224
61RS 50023
62RS TERA PRO23
63RS 30023
64HUNTER 707 OD23
65RS 70023
66RS 100 8.423
67Flying Scot (19′)22
68Hansa 30322
69Laser 222
70Halcat22
71RS 80022
72Topaz Xenon21
73BYTE CII21
74BLAZE21
75RS Q'ba20
76Topaz20
77TASAR20
78Bembridge Scow20
79Beaulieu River Scow20
80Mirror Dinghy20
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