420 winged rudder

Originally posted by sargesail We're just not very good at self-policing are we....

You never have been.

And dinghy sailors being chicken sh*t cheats is as old as time itself, if the acceptance and positive pursuit of old boats built with modern materials whilst using the original handicap isn't cheating then where can you possibly consider drawing a line to even start to self police.

It was a bunch of dinghy types that ruined our (windsurfings) 1st attempt at a cheap production class, Division 1 as it was then called the idea being to stabilise around flat boards a mast limited to 460 and 6.0mtr sails, so what happened a couple of mothies showed up with high roach sails and cleaned up.
Technically they didn't break the rules ( a loose 2/3rds base times height triangulation was being used to measure the sails and lighter boards had to carry weight) the class died.

So if you can't enforce rules simple logic then dictates not having them and the result of that experiment is also now history in our case.

Either way, it's wrong.

You need rules, and the rules need to be enforced and constantly revised to suit a changing world.

Edit and I have just read the thread from start to finish and am not surprised by any of its content, having said that I'm also of the opinion that these winter events are there to try out stuff, so if I've been given that opinion then so must others, so you need to either accept it, or create a class just for that, out of class boats and award some results to them so others do not get prejudiced. I still think it's wrong that foiling moths get to race when we were refused that privilege as windsurfers.



Edited by iGRF - 22 Jan 13 at 9:13am

there's was a lot of people who could be made to retire from the blody mary th deveopment 800 sails, the unmeasured sails on boats being raced the toppers and lasers carrying not lass legal sails from topper laser respectivley, the sailors who thought it fine to ben ainsile (pump pump pump) down edge downwind leg the boats not displaying sails numbers relating to their boat the list is endless. perhaps all the sailors who are better than you should retire as well because thats unfair as well.

Originally posted by r2d2 "need to be very careful"??

The law of libel applies to the internet.
Whether that's wrongly accusing 420 sailors of cheating,
or wrongly accusing observers of being less than honest or accurate about what they say they saw.

Which is why the best course of action is a proper protest.
Or at least some decent photos.

420 with winged rudder = like a badly tuned saxo with blue down lights

...or at least that's my thinking


Edited by getafix - 21 Jan 13 at 8:49pm

Originally posted by Paramedic Originally posted by sargesail No it was always cheating and the SJ just exposed it.   No, Sailjuice made people on the internet care about it. I have yet to see a valid complaint from someone who actually sailed in any of the events in question.   By valid complaint I mean a properly lodged protest, not a kangaroo court on an internet forum.