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    Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 9:44am
Short boats need 'em to stop them nosediving, which for the amount of sail a 14 is still short. T foils only work if you can plane to windward regularly, so having lots of rag and twin wires explains that...


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Originally posted by Black no sugar

Originally posted by redback

 ... whereas an International 14 is full of faults, but what a ride!

 

It sounds as though Redback's been for ever traumatised by Alex's boat handling...

 

 



I doubt that Isabelle! Stuart was always out of breath to quickly to stay out for long enough hee hee
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Back to RS800s & Cherubs;
 
I love my RS800 and expect I will enjoy the class for many years to come. I see the fact that it is (relatively) easy to sail as being a benefit, not a detriment. Being manageable does not make it less exciting. The fact that it is manageable means you can get on with racing it hard rather than fighting the boat in strong winds and this means you can continue to race it hard at 25 knots when other fleets may struggle. In Weymouth last year we were having sensible exiting racing in 28knots wind average whilst other skiff classes would have lost a days racing (the 18s did lose their racing). It is therefore a perfect boat for Garda conditions where the fleet is returning this July (over 35 boats already entered & paid, 6 months before the event!).
 
I love my Cherub lots also! 
I am finding it an interesting challenge - like the 'short board' equivalent of the RS800. The rigs are similar but the hull minute in comparison. Cherub is therefore harder to sail and providing a fun learning challenge including getting used to the T-foil rudder. I see it as a baby I14.
 
An advantage of both boats is that you can sail with mixed teams as you dont need big ugly blokes at the front like the 18' Skiffs, 14s & 49ers!!!
 
There is no such thing as 'too much fun'!
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Bethwaite points out that a gybing board
means that the hull runs straight, putting the rudder into the wake of the
board, increasing its skin friction drag.


Add that to the handling complications and the fact that you need to
lose most of the added incidence off the wind, and it makes the gybing
board questionable to say the least.



Hmm I think he's off the pace, hulls dont necessarily run straight,
especially if you're planing, they tend to crab sideways. Sailboards dont
have rudders anyway so it was never an issue and the gybing plate took
the pain out of stuffing the board to wind all the time which I imagine it
would do for inexperienced dinghy helms unsure of how high they could
sail, as you can see I'm still a fan of them, I never got to fully develop the
concept, board design changed suddenly and very rapidly in another
direction.

I can imagine the five oh's having issues in waves, it was a problem but
easily compensated on a board,back then they were crude affairs anyhow
I'm sure with todays technology something could be fashioned to prevent
the "degybing" under pressure drop a spring counter plate perhaps?

Bethwaite? Isn't he the skiff designer guy? Got a lot to answer for..
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Had a 14 year old girl 29er crew on the front of the baot last weekend. And she was fantastic! Not all skiff crews have to be gorillas!
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 " Had a 14 year old girl 29er crew on the front of the baot last weekend. And she was fantastic! "

You could be arrested for that you know.............
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Originally posted by Ross


AFAIK t-foils are purely to push the arse out the water.



That and pressure* recovery...
*Energy recovery... too busy thinking about god damn bulk carrier courseworks...

As for gybing boards, theres a lot of argument over exactly how and why they work... and whether they work at all. They seem to have a solid grip on the 5oh fleet but for the moment at least their apearance in the 14 fleet seems to be more fashion than any solid advantage.




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Originally posted by Chew my RS

Without wanting to second guess Redbacks mind, the beam measurement point is further forward than ideal, leading to hulls that are fairly blunt bowed/stocky.  Some would also argue they are too short for the amount of sail they carry (hence the development of the T-foil).  Still a great class though.

 

They cant be any longer otherwise they wouldnt be called international 14's the answer is in the title i wouldnt say that the boaw on our boat is stockyeither see pic below! The sail area and length are a design feature of the boat which has taken i think over 60 years to develop! I wouldnt say its a fault!
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mmmmmmm I so want one!!!
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Originally posted by Graeme

 " Had a 14 year old girl 29er crew on the front of the baot last weekend. And she was fantastic! "

You could be arrested for that you know.............



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