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Woodburner ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 15 Location: Folkestone Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 332 |
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I always found the term 'National Champion' a bit lame if the event had less than 100 competitors from all parts of the country, similarly if a National Series didn't have events in all regions with competitors from those regions competing in the others. OK maybe more easily achieved with car topable sailboards, but nonetheless sailboats can and do travel, I've seen them littering up the motorways.
So if magic wands were in order and it were down to me, I'd have the D.R.A. National Series, you'd dial into a website giving your boat details, crew weight and experience, it would spit out your handicap and the group you were entered in and a list of participating venues with dates. Some existing events nominated and others designed and organised for purpose. Each group would then spit out a series champion. - simples.
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Old Timer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Jun 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 370 |
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If you tale that view then in 2014 there would be only 2 national champions in adult classes and in a typical year none ... ![]() http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/class/attendance.aspx |
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Oli ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1020 |
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If any one fancies a summer handicap event we run a round the islands race for dinghies, cats and cruisers. It is an open event on our club card and would be great to see more visitors come along. its a figure eight course round Osea and Northey so only about 8 miles which can take 45 mins or 3 hours weather depending. The cruisers sail just round Osea and the Slow fleet sail round Northey.
perhaps a round the islands handicap series with the mersea and sheppy as part of the series could be constructed by those that know how to?
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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Slightly off topic, however there is (In my opinion) only one summer handicap race.....The Lord Birkett. If that is not a celebration of the British Handicap racing dinghy scene, then I don't know what is!
I really, really urge everyone to at least once in their life do this event. You can usually have a fair stab at what class is in with a shout of winning judging by the conditions. However that matters not to me! Its just a brilliant weekend, sailing in what I consider to be the most beautiful part of the country.
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ChrisI ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Aug 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 143 |
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"Slightly off topic, however there is (In my opinion) only one summer handicap race.....The Lord Birkett. If that is not a celebration of the British Handicap racing dinghy scene, then I don't know what is!"
+1 July 4/5 this year....looking forward to it again! |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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One year I'll do the Birkett, probably when the kids have left home, the way it is going.
Chris, I understand that cycling has recognized disciplines and the like - it was just the "One National Champion" I was referring to in that post. I could as easily have used athletics. Is dinghy sailing like the long jump, say, and sailing as a whole like athletics - so dinghies the long jump, yachts the shot put, windsurfing the 400m, or is each dinghy like an athletics event? If the former, then we don't have a champ. If the latter, then we have a champ for each disipline, just like athletics does. Anyway, not sure why I'm arguing against the oddity of National Champions. For me, being Class Champion is far more sensible. Just takes a change of a word and a huge change in mind set. National Champions would then come from a revamped National Classes list and from the International classes, if they have a big enough showing in the UK. Or maybe simply from classes that have a 5 year rolling average of 50+ at the Nationals. So, I am Minisail Class Champion, not Minisail National Champion, which clearly gives far too much kudos to such a small event. The Y&Y tables would need to be split, of course. In fact, I could see Y&Y being the leader in this change of outlook. Events would need to brand themselves Class Championships, not National, and it would take some Y&Y editing of events publicity to make this happen! |
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I never mentioned "one national champion". Indeed, I specifically said there could be multiple national chamnionships based upon a minim entry requirement (as an example). With, as you suggest, smaller classes having Class champions.
But you are still thinking along tribalism if class lines. The open champion could've from any class, because it is an open event. Okay, you *may* chose to have a singlehander and two champion (much like singles and doubles tennis). Someone will now complain that the location or weather will influence the outcome. I'll provide the counter argument, if needed, when I have access to more than a phone. |
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JohnJack ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 246 |
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Thinking of records, and kudos. Say your cut off point is 50 boats for the Class/National divide. One year say 2014 Joe Bloggs is 'Class Champion' because there is only 49 boats attending, 2015 John Smith wins and because there is 60 boats present he is 'National Champion' (maybe there is a few years in between but still.....) does John Smith deserve more kudos than Joe Bloggs? I have spent allot of time looking back over results for my class the past few years and the top 10 - 15 is usually a who's who of sail makers/rope company/builders jockeys with a handful of very good 'amateurs'. It doesn't really change that much. The added numbers usually come from the upper mid fleet down to the tail enders. Most of which are there for a good week of sailing and to try and better them selves and enjoy the atmosphere. Maybe get a pop at the Bronze/Silver Fleet or a Spot Prize. Throughout a 10 race Nationals, after about R3 you end up with lots of little races going on. In the example above maybe the top 10 were the same peeps just in a different order. The quality is the same at the top, therefore whyc is one a Nationals Champ, the other a Class Champ? |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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yup, JJ, I agree, to an extent. That is why National Classes might work better. A 5 year average as suggested would also work, so you only lose it if you are fading, not because of a blip.
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Woodburner ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 15 Location: Folkestone Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 332 |
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Well afaik there are only 11 National Classes adopted or allegedly administered by the RYA, they haven't taken a new one on in donkeys years, by my guess the Scorpion is the youngest but I could be wrong they're mostly before even my windsurfing time.
So a body that administered all the new ones, or those not managed by their own SMOD builders could be justified. RYA Classes. ![]()
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